I'm planning on getting this intake...


LOL They are very expensive, I test drove a Civic with one, and it felt better then the J's racing, also the vtec came in stronger and much louder, absolutely fell in love
 
Does anyone have a pic of one of those ARC intakes ? Don't think i have seen one before.
 
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nice intake, when are you going to dyno your car ?
 
Never really thought much about putting it on the dyno.I might look into that this summer.
 
I think if your going to get this intake then clamp on an extension hose and run it down low to where it's cooler like behind your side holes on your bumper. This will make it much better everywhere and sound 2nd to nothing. It's like having a loud speaker on your front bumper LOL

This mod will make it better than the stock one... (I was planning to get this one and do that..)

Another thing you guys should note is that J's Racing intake is intended for track and I believe they would have removed there right hand headlight inorder for cold air to rush in. On the street however isn't a good thing.

Short ram pod filters in engine bay would always have the best response, bottom end and bottom-mid range power but will suffer under that hot engine bay sucking less densed air.

Cold air intakes increase Top end and high-mid range power..
 
jugbugz said:
I think if your going to get this intake then clamp on an extension hose and run it down low to where it's cooler like behind your side holes on your bumper. This will make it much better everywhere and sound 2nd to nothing. It's like having a loud speaker on your front bumper LOL

This mod will make it better than the stock one... (I was planning to get this one and do that..)

Another thing you guys should note is that J's Racing intake is intended for track and I believe they would have removed there right hand headlight inorder for cold air to rush in. On the street however isn't a good thing.

Short ram pod filters in engine bay would always have the best response, bottom end and bottom-mid range power but will suffer under that hot engine bay sucking less densed air.

Cold air intakes increase Top end and high-mid range power..
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Your right about how the intake source shouldnt be from the hot engine bay, but I think you have the cold air vs. short ram theory backwards.
The short ram will make more power in the upper ranges, with the cold air making more power in the lower ranges of the RPM range. It works in almost the same way as the intake manifold runners, longer and thinner ones will not provide as much high end power, but will provide low end power/torque. Although, It is very important, like you said, to have a cold air source for your intake air.
 
hehehe, Before I read the article on Cold air intakes and short ram intakes I had the same perception as you but the fact is that Cold air intakes have longer hoses which would not promote response or power benefits in lower rpm where less oxygen is needed, but more oxygen is needed in higher rpm's, hence the more density of cold air....

Short ram intakes have very short pipes which will promote throttle response in lower rpm's and less oxygen is needed, but will suffer in higher rpm's due to the decrease of density of hot air, hence hot air is thin air, cold air is think air. Hot-less oxygen, cold more oxygen.

I personally think short ram intakes should be left on the track where you can remove the front headlight to have cold air rushing in. But on the street, it is one of the worst mods. It doesn't take long before the air under the bonnet get hot... say like 15 mins? Summer is worst!! especially when the temp's go between 30-40 degrees celcius.

Owners with pod filters in engine bay should feel that the car will operate very very well after startup but power and torque greatly decreases over minutes. Cold air intakes have solid consistancy in making power and response on the street 24/7, 365 days a year.

go ahead and try it out... :D
 
jugbugz said:
hehehe, Before I read the article on Cold air intakes and short ram intakes I had the same perception as you but the fact is that Cold air intakes have longer hoses which would not promote response or power benefits in lower rpm where less oxygen is needed, but more oxygen is needed in higher rpm's, hence the more density of cold air....

Short ram intakes have very short pipes which will promote throttle response in lower rpm's and less oxygen is needed, but will suffer in higher rpm's due to the decrease of density of hot air, hence hot air is thin air, cold air is think air. Hot-less oxygen, cold more oxygen.

I personally think short ram intakes should be left on the track where you can remove the front headlight to have cold air rushing in. But on the street, it is one of the worst mods. It doesn't take long before the air under the bonnet get hot... say like 15 mins? Summer is worst!! especially when the temp's go between 30-40 degrees celcius.

Owners with pod filters in engine bay should feel that the car will operate very very well after startup but power and torque greatly decreases over minutes. Cold air intakes have solid consistancy in making power and response on the street 24/7, 365 days a year.

go ahead and try it out... :D
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you seem to have some extreme opinions. do you mind if i ask have you experienced any of this first hand?
 
what doesn't make sense to you? It's a bit of physics and science involved

you can't feel that extra 5hp peak power short spread compared to 5Nm of torque on a wide spread.

The config of ARC is clearly doing less than what a pod filter could do. Dyno figures have acheived for this. And... i don't see how it can get better response than a pod filter short ram...

air passes through radiator and air intake filter sitting right under the bonnet, drawing air heated from 1.radiator 2.engine bay 3. it's own air box 4. moving air which decreases the density and heats up.

besides, my opinions are from my own experiences and study. If everyone's opinion is the same then there will be nothing to talk about. I'm sure there are many people out there would disagree with your opinions. People do what they think is positive and not everyones positives is same, everyone got different senses and taste... Just as why Meguaires make so many different types of waxes. They made this kind of comment too.

if you don't agree thats fine... write up your own opinions and maybe you'll might change my mind...
 
I don't think I thouroughly explained what I was trying to say. When I say short ram=higher rpm power, cold air=lower rpm power, I'm not talking about the source of the air I'm talking about the length of the tube and the placement of the filter along that tube.
Of course you should always have a cold air source, that is of no debate, never intake hot air right from under the hood. What I mean is if you have a short ram intake with a cold air source (and this can be done without removing the headlight) its going to make more top end power than a cold air intake with a much longer tube. When you mate a cold air source to a short ram filter you get the response of the short ram but the cold air of a cold air intake. Think of a normal short ram intake but then wrap the filter with a box that has a tube running down into the fenderwell. Look at comptech's ice-box system, or mugen's system that uses the same technique. Another great thing about this system is its much easier to change the filter than on a cold air intake where you may have to remove the bumper.
 
Dino-Spumoni said:
I don't think I thouroughly explained what I was trying to say. When I say short ram=higher rpm power, cold air=lower rpm power, I'm not talking about the source of the air I'm talking about the length of the tube and the placement of the filter along that tube.
Of course you should always have a cold air source, that is of no debate, never intake hot air right from under the hood. What I mean is if you have a short ram intake with a cold air source (and this can be done without removing the headlight) its going to make more top end power than a cold air intake with a much longer tube. When you mate a cold air source to a short ram filter you get the response of the short ram but the cold air of a cold air intake. Think of a normal short ram intake but then wrap the filter with a box that has a tube running down into the fenderwell. Look at comptech's ice-box system, or mugen's system that uses the same technique. Another great thing about this system is its much easier to change the filter than on a cold air intake where you may have to remove the bumper.
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That's correct!!

Thats why I suggested that the J's Racing intake would need the headlight removed for cold air or a hose brought down to bumper.. Mugen's Carbon fibre intake is kind of Half short ram due to the enclosed box wrapped over pod filter. But that one can be rehosed to draw cold air in front of bumper.

On a track I'd go for short ram intake with headlight off always!! except rainy days:angry:
 
I actually have the comptech ice-box system, and the extended cold air tube goes down into the front bumper behind the foglight area. It still sucks in cold air but is protected from rain. Although, If I wanted a ram air effect I would have to make a little cut out in my bumper right next to the foglight (99-00 front end).
 
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