K20 or B20 vtec?


Ok, so I have to sell this engine swap.
So if Anyone is interested in b16a 180bhp (video below)
It is full swap b18c intake mane(polished)
Tri-y exhaust header
B16a engine
Distributor
alternator
mapped p28 ecu + harness(obd2a to obd1)
s4c non-lsd gearbox fully rebuilt
driveshafts and maybe smth forgot to mention
PM me
1450pounds + delivery.

Good choice selling the engine, imo the k swap will got more at the begining but with a B20's I have come across something eventually goes wrong which will then cost you more once you include the your original engine price meaning the k swap would have been cheaper all along, and you got to think practical how long are you really going to keep your car.
 
A guy on itr-dc2 has his B20 build only 3/4 mapped at the moment, 217whp/163lbft at 7000rpm, spec:

B20 block with Cosworth Pistons
Brian Crower rods
B18 head (my old one) full Buddyclub Spec 4 cams, valves, springs and retainers.
Edlebrock Performer Intake with 440 injectors and a Skunk 2 Throttle body.
Mapped on Hondata S300

Its not finished but the torque at the moment is equal to a kpro k20a with no goodies, and about 25whp more, not sure on cost mind?
 
heard a few people using cosworth pistons, anyone got a link for them?

if its making that at 7000rpm, taking it past would stress the block am i right??

with the vtec is it better to map it so it comes in lower than usual which is 5.5k for me? Im after a daily driver and want more power low end wher it lacks and stil really stuck choosing between b18 and b20
 
His work is done by Unit 8, Rmotion also do the Cossie stuff.
 
If you can afford it go K20 while peak power can be matched with the b20 with some money spent you still won't get the best overall torque band like a k20 can offer due to its VTC cam timing(ivtec). Basic bolt on's with a kpro custom map for your setup will see you 230-240bhp / 160-170ftlb torque on the k20 with 140-150ftlb torque been available from 2000rpm:naughty:
 
surely a k20 with simple bolt ons will be UBER reliable compared to a 230hp B20 or B18purely as the engine was designed to make 225hp and run OEM reliability. i thought this was one of the major reasons people went for K20 for reliablility with power straight out of the box.
as for the price of a K20 conversion if your ultimate goal was power and not reliability wouldn't it be cheaper to turbo and forge a D series engine and make 400whp.

i mean to get 217whp but the spec to be B20 block with Cosworth Pistons
Brian Crower rods
B18 head, full Buddyclub Spec 4 cams, valves, springs and retainers.
Edlebrock Performer Intake with 440 injectors and a Skunk 2 Throttle body.
Mapped on Hondata S300

is this not costing more than a k swap but with a lot of work to get about the same as a K20.
fair play i mean i'm not knocking your engine it sounds great but just thinking price and reliability.
sorry if my ideas are pant's. :)
 
surely a k20 with simple bolt ons will be UBER reliable compared to a 230hp B20 or B18purely as the engine was designed to make 225hp and run OEM reliability. i thought this was one of the major reasons people went for K20 for reliablility with power straight out of the box.
as for the price of a K20 conversion if your ultimate goal was power and not reliability wouldn't it be cheaper to turbo and forge a D series engine and make 400whp.

i mean to get 217whp but the spec to be B20 block with Cosworth Pistons
Brian Crower rods
B18 head, full Buddyclub Spec 4 cams, valves, springs and retainers.
Edlebrock Performer Intake with 440 injectors and a Skunk 2 Throttle body.
Mapped on Hondata S300

is this not costing more than a k swap but with a lot of work to get about the same as a K20.
fair play i mean i'm not knocking your engine it sounds great but just thinking price and reliability.
sorry if my ideas are pant's. :)

And don't forget you get a 6spd box with a k20 which is a big advantage;)
 
For a cheap build, oem reliability, 200hp and plenty of torque what about the H22 or go H2B?

I think Kieran is assuming already having a Bseries engine.

And H2B isnt very cheap.

Correct. I was bassing the cost on starting with already having a B series

I had thought about the H2B but Swaping mounts, more messing about with harnesses, getting a convertion plate for the gearbox or moding to have cable box and the main factor of the H22 being a fair bit heavier put me off the idea. Still considering it but seems fair bit more hastle than a b20.

Suppose If your starting from Non B series then K20 would be the most worth while. Sein as your goin to have to do most same ish stuff.
 
after spending silly money building engines in my Civic then going out in a relatively lightly modified K20'd EG, i'd MUCH rather go for a K20 swap over anything B-series.

For value for money, reliability and performance, its a no-brainer now in my eye. Wish i had gone K20/K24 myself rather than boost.

The 6 speed box, the torque and power increase, incredible!
 
For value for money, reliability and performance, its a no-brainer now in my eye. Wish i had gone K20/K24 myself rather than boost.

Even if it didnt blow up and stuff? I cannae make up my mind whether to do boost or kswap.
 
I wouldnt really see the point in all that money... B series more then up for a good turbo set up and save ££££... Although the idea is pretty crazy...!

Yer i was only joking. A force fed B would be hell of a lot cheaper build.
 
Yer i was only joking. A force fed B would be hell of a lot cheaper build.

Ahh sorry dude, i took you literal even with your naughty face ;) haha

K boosted swap would be mental though for sure, just pointless if you really thought about.
 
Ahh sorry dude, i took you literal even with your naughty face ;) haha

K boosted swap would be mental though for sure, just pointless if you really thought about.

No worries buddy

Yer thats a millionaires playground lol
 
after spending silly money building engines in my Civic then going out in a relatively lightly modified K20'd EG, i'd MUCH rather go for a K20 swap over anything B-series.

For value for money, reliability and performance, its a no-brainer now in my eye. Wish i had gone K20/K24 myself rather than boost.

The 6 speed box, the torque and power increase, incredible!

Yea what happened to your boosted b18? you still got it? not seen any updated for ages. was a mega nice car!
 
Was speaking to a guy about doing work on my car not so long ago. H22 he said was 'in the 90's Bseries are old school now and most things have been done with a K20. his recommendation was..........K24. easier said than done i think.
as jason has said go boost for cheaper and more power gains.
 
boost easier than K24? lol

K24 swap is dead easy in comparison to a proper FI conversion and gives the best performance from using stock parts out of all the B/H/K combinations.
 
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