oh i thought the monotube damper would be better for street
Mono Tube/Twin Tube suspension info by 'TEIN'
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oh i thought the monotube damper would be better for street
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MonoTube will be a better suspension if it is specified correctly for the street.
But looking at the Tein MonoFlex specification, it is not good for the street.
As far as GC/Koni, it is a good setup...
However, time has changed and I honestly think there are better option out now for around the same price.
Back in the days, getting "matched" dampers are pretty hard.
However, I do see many "Entry Level" Coilovers with very well matched dampers out of the box today.
But looking at the Tein MonoFlex specification, it is not good for the street.
As far as GC/Koni, it is a good setup...
However, time has changed and I honestly think there are better option out now for around the same price.
Back in the days, getting "matched" dampers are pretty hard.
However, I do see many "Entry Level" Coilovers with very well matched dampers out of the box today.
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i just dont see the point in forking out the cost for good coilovers when the car has no real need for them. horses for courses really. If someone feels they need them then go for it, im just saying imo its a bit of a waste in money.
also the monoflex has
MICRO SPEED VAVLE (M.S.V.) -
This new system allows for improved comfort through more precise oil flow control inside the damper. MSV is most effective at low speed damping, and is therefore most effective during street driving.
and the flex does not have this
MICRO SPEED VAVLE (M.S.V.) -
This new system allows for improved comfort through more precise oil flow control inside the damper. MSV is most effective at low speed damping, and is therefore most effective during street driving.
and the flex does not have this
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Swizz, seriously I would just scrap getting either if you are really that concerned with how it's going to ride.
OH definately, buyng this sort of suspenion to drive around the streets is a complete waste of money. My point was that I would say the Koni/GC combo (although my preference would be towards a Bilstein/GC setup) is suitable for everything from street driving right up to racing applications. The stock adjustment range can handle between 250 and 500lb springs, and a revalve can see them suitable for pretty much any rate you would probably want to run!
OH definately, buyng this sort of suspenion to drive around the streets is a complete waste of money. My point was that I would say the Koni/GC combo (although my preference would be towards a Bilstein/GC setup) is suitable for everything from street driving right up to racing applications. The stock adjustment range can handle between 250 and 500lb springs, and a revalve can see them suitable for pretty much any rate you would probably want to run!
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I'll add another note that good suspension doesn't have to be use on Track only.
Actually, good suspension "Work" the most on uneven, bumpy, back road that most people drive on everyday.
As track surfaces are all pretty "flat", you can get away with a lot more.
So designing a track suspension does not require the range of movement that a back road fill with bumps and holes would require.
For me personally, it is not how fast you can go around the track... but how enjoyable it is to drive the car.
If you want the car low and it is your style, I have no complains on that.
My role as a suspension designer is to make something that will fit your need AND do its job as well as possible.
Going low doesn't mean the ride have to be rubbish (well, up to a point), and having and adjustable coil overs that can work well on track doesn't mean you have to suffer a horrible ride 95% of the time when you drive on the road.
You CAN drive the car, enjoy the drive everyday, and enjoy the occasional track day if the suspension are specified properly.
That to me is actually more difficult to do than to release some ultra stiff suspension that are unusable on the road but it will take off half of a second a lap in a car that was driven by a pro racing driver.
i dont care so much about ride quality since im going to be low i just wanted to know which out of these 2 would be a better ride and i saw the mono had micro speed valve and if that means it takes bumps better going slow which i always do then that should be ideal
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Better Ride = Ride Quality?
Or am I missing something here.
You have to think of it this way... any suspension can go low.
You can get an angle grinder out and cut your springs, it will be low.
You want it low and ride well? Then you are now asking suspension to perform.
Ride quality can also equal good handling, because it mean your wheel are touching the ground and providing traction.
If you have in your mind you want the more expensive product offer by Tein, and you are just trying to justify the purchase...
I would say don't bother and just buy it.
In the end, it is your car and it is what you are after that matter the most.
If you wanted the MonoFlex, just buy it because even if you are rocking some Moton 4-way dampers that are £10,000; you will always "wonder" what the Tein MonoFlex will be like because it is already in your mind.
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So you don't care, but you want to know. Which means you do care, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.
Just flip a coin and pick one, it really won't make the blindest bit of difference when you are crawling around city streets scraping your exhaust.
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So you don't care, but you want to know. Which means you do care, otherwise you wouldn't have asked.
Just flip a coin and pick one, it really won't make the blindest bit of difference when you are crawling around city streets scraping your exhaust.
this.
For your intended purpose of going "low" it doesn't matter which one you get...
If it where me i would just get the meister super low coilovers.
the MSV theory is, increased low speed damping = better steering response; based on forum feedback Mflex ride is on the firm/harsh side.
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Lets put it this way... in designing suspension damping curve like what we have been doing lately... the Micro Speed Valve is doing the OPPOSITE of what I have been trying to produce.
On super slow damping speed (piston speed that you are at when driving on the motorway / freeway), you DO NOT want a lot of damping force because it will make the ride uncomfortable.
You want to have force around the 0.05m/s to 0.2m/s, as that is where you will feel your steering response.
But you don't want to have much force under 0.05m/s
So if you ask me... the Micro Speed Valve will make the ride more uncomfortable...
And it isn't necessary going to make the car respond any better because it may be operating in the damper speed that is below the scope of steering response.
On super slow damping speed (piston speed that you are at when driving on the motorway / freeway), you DO NOT want a lot of damping force because it will make the ride uncomfortable.
You want to have force around the 0.05m/s to 0.2m/s, as that is where you will feel your steering response.
But you don't want to have much force under 0.05m/s
So if you ask me... the Micro Speed Valve will make the ride more uncomfortable...
And it isn't necessary going to make the car respond any better because it may be operating in the damper speed that is below the scope of steering response.