s80 4.7fd with s4c 4th+5th


I will send you back the gearbox, this will be better solution as I don't need the gearbox in such condition and for the money I paid you.
 
So much for obliging to source parts for you and then getting it shuvved back in my face.
I dont want your gearbox, i dont want your excuses and i dont want to hear from you again.

Goodbye.

Can a moderator please close this thread as the saga has now run its course, thank you.
 
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No problems for you, you can place these parts in your gearbox and you can sell it for how much you like. I told you that the value of this gearbox is lower than for what I paid you. So you must compensate this by a part refund. If a part refund is made, I accept your replacement parts.
 
Had a good read down through this... seems like a sticky situation. Im not taking sides but Weasel you must have the patience of a saint... there is always a risk in buying second hand parts, honda ones in particular as alot of them get a hard time. The ad said in perfect condition which i would have assumed meant the box was in perfect WORKING condition not that every part inside the box was in a brand new freshly built from oem parts in never used condition.. after all it clearly states that ot was used for a year of racing. Seems to me that the buyer is asking too much of the seller in this case as he has tried to meet the buyer in the middle by suppling replacement parts etc.. if it was me weasel id take legal action against the buyer (defamation of character/loss of revenue- he has openly accused you of selling him goods that were damaged this giving ypu a bad name which may or may not result in people wanting to buy off you in the future)if he is unwilling to work with you in finding a reasonable solution to the problem.
 
4 weekends doesn't look to me like 1 year of racing usage :S Weasel sold similar gearboxes before and all of them were cheapper than this one. So I bought from him the more expensive one, so the better one and in the better condition than most of the gearboxes he sold. So I can even imagine how his other gearboxes should looked like if this one was the best of the best. This situation is killing me as Weasel communication manners are very bad. If he was a honest guy, communicated in normal way and without agressive and offensive text, I would had agreed with him, but he is rude and shows no respect at all. I value this situation as the completely bad decision to buy it from him, but we have what we have.

Just try everyone to stand/imagine yourself in my situation. You pay a lot of money for the best gearbox Weasel ever had (his own one) and you receive completely rubbish. Moreover you are called a lier, etc etc just because you want to get your money back, or have it repaired to the state it had to be. And no one even talks about rebuild expenses, etc. SO WHO IS A VICTIM IN THIS SITUATION???!!!!
 
I feel for u its a tough situtation to be in but in my opinion you are expecting too much from a used gearbox and even if the box was showing signs of wear you have no way of 100% proving that damage you speak of is from parts out of weasels box (swearing on your life/car/whatever wouldnt cut it in my book). At the end of the day by gifting the payment via paypal amd being unable to 100% prove that the damaged parts are out of his box you have left yourself without a leg to stand on amd are in no position to demand refunds etc. Yes ypu can say that you acted in good faith and assumed that everything would be ok but never trust people that you dont personally know and always buy from a well known company when it comes to high value items if you cannot inspect the item in person. If it was me who had sold the box i wouldnt even entertain such demands, without proof you are wasting your time. Id take it as a hard lesson learned.

And to clarify for all who may read this i am in no way involved with/ or know either party in this dispute and am expressing a third party opinion based on my reading of the tread
 
Here are his other for sale threads.

http://www.ek9.org/forum/sale/49308-s80-inc-4-7final-ctr-4th-5th.html

http://www.ek9.org/forum/sale/48944-ek9-s4c-gearbox.html

The gearboxes he sold was also stated as rebuilt, new synchros fitted, etc. etc. They were described as perfect condition, valued 9/10 etc. And they all there 100eur or 200eur cheapper. So what at first you would think when such person lists his own gearbox and for more money than he usualy sells?? First idea comes to mind that this is very very good gearbox (that's how Weasel described it in the listing, it was described as absolutely perfect, very very good condition one). So there is my mistake? What I done wrong?

You must understand that there is no point for me to lie about the parts inside, as I am not a child, I won't earn anything here, I am affraid that I couldn't even think about such idea. I would never paid him as a gift and I would never fight for the trueth publicly. All the promises I gave about my car or my mother life they are all valid as I am 1000000% sure and can give any word or money to anyone if this information is wrong.

So you can make your own conclusions and you could imagine yourself in such situation when you can't do anything to such seller, who is spreading wrong information about you, etc. Do you think such seller is worth to be called seller in such forums? I would advice to stay away from such seller, because you will never get back anything from him.

I just want to get normal parts to repair this gearbox and to make it good condition and want 100eur back to compensate condition. Or I would like to get the perfect condition parts to replace. So as in the sellers first mesages after moderators advice to solve this. He said he will send brand new synchros and nearly new sleeves. So I understand why he is attacking me, he think that attack will help him and I will agree to take these pictured parts.

So if he sold the gearboxes which were valued as 9/10 for 100eur cheapper, this one must be 10/10. So I just add the photo to remind how this 9/10 or 10/10 (absolutely perfect condition gearbox lools like).
 

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Once again you CANNOT 100% PROVE the parts are from his box there is no issue being raised about the box itself and its condition you recieved it in and im not saying that i dont believe you to be telling the truth... i am simply saying that without proof you do not have a leg to stand on. I wish you all the best in solving the dispute and hope that both partys and all other forum members have learned a lesson from this example
 
According to your explanation, Weasel also don't have any proof of the condition of the gearbox, so he also do not have a leg to stand on?

Weasel confirmed that this is the gearbox he sold. So it looks like this. This oil was coming from gearbox, because the seal was damaged.

Yes, this is a lesson for us and all other forum members. But how everything should have happened, so that there were no misunderstanding and such problems? I am just thinking, maybe I had to make a video of all unpacking proccess, etc.? Weasel had to make photos of the parts inside? But how we can trust him that he will not exhchange the parts during assembly? He can make photos of good ones and put bad parts inside (just like you are talking about me). So he also must make video of assembling and packing for dispatch? :) I believe were are getting too deep and I believe that Weasel didn't knew that the box could look like this after some racing sessions, so he thought that it will be perfect. The same with me, i read his description, I seen his other for sale threads of other gearboxes, so I believed him and bought it, but after inspection I found that it is far away from perfect condition.

I don't know really. Maybe forum moderators can make a decision here, so how they think it would be fair in such situation?

If they will say that I must accept these parts (even if they are not so perfect) and forget the value, I will agree as I am getting tired of explanations, discussions. We all can see other Weasel for sale threads, other gearboxes conditions described, valued, etc. So this was the most expensive one and this was his own gearbox.

Please forum moderators put some final dots in this case (if possible).

Thank you.
 
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My last post on this is as follows:

I offered a more than reasonable solution to sort out the guys problems even though i did not have to.
My offer was thrown back in my face with threats of violence etc.

I am not going to offer any other solution.
If Stakis wants to continue on with this then he can do so legally.

That is all.
 
My last post on this is as follows:

I offered a more than reasonable solution to sort out the guys problems even though i did not have to.
My offer was thrown back in my face with threats of violence etc.

I am not going to offer any other solution.
If Stakis wants to continue on with this then he can do so legally.

That is all.

The offer you made seemed reasonable tbh from an outsiders view..

legally he doesn't have a leg to stand on with it being paid as a gift.

Expensive mistake, I would cut my losses and be happy with the replacement parts.
 
Why I havo to loose money when I buy from trusted forum seller? I think I must get what was advertised and what I paid for.

I am still waiting for forum administrator input as I want to finish this situation.

Thank you.
 
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No moderators input here, so OK, Weasel, let it be. Send me these parts you've got. I agree with them.

But I just want to say that I am leaving the part refund question on your conscience, because I believe you must cover some of my loss (I am expecting half of it). Because even with your parts received, I will have to buy bearring, seal (about 40eur) will have to pay 80eur to a guy who will rebuild it, etc. So a lot of loss for me in this situation. To sum up 120eur + 100eur lower value, in total i am loosing 220eur.
 
Still no confirmation from Weasel. So please administrators or moderators state your position in this situation how we should work everything out. Thank you.
 
I'm sorry, but I really can't see how the mods could help here? Has any of them seen the box? Any of them has been there where it was being send, received or opened? I am not going to take sides here as I have never seen the box or either of you for that matter, but you have to remember that this is not eBay, there are no guarantees here especially if you decide to save a few quid and pay as a gift... From my point of view (a guy who knows neither of you) the odds of the seller sending you a crappy broken box are equal to those of you swapping the internals for some old worn parts you had lying around. As per Weasel's last post I reckon you only have two options - bite the bullet or proceed with legal action. I hope you did at least take a video when you dismantled the box otherwise I can't see how are you going to prove anything.
 
As I said, I have 2 people who seen this. One of them is a reputable gearbox builder, solid person. He will confirm everything as I brought it in the package Weasel sent me, so the wooden palet, everything was packed as the courier delivered to me. So no worries here, just time and a lot of expences for Weasel after final decision will be made as there will be needed some lawier services. All the related expenses will be adjudged guilty.

There are no proof from Weasel about the content he sent me, because there are his own posts and messages where he confirmed this.

So it will be easy for me to prove the truth. Just I believe there will be more time consuming work for officers because of different countries. And offcourse this difference will raise a final amount for all this to happen. I have no other options just to go this route, as Weasel is ignoring me again, so I am preparing all the conversations, threads etc. I will have more free time on friday, so will write a covering letter explaining situation, so I believe this week I will be ready to release all the information gathered.
 
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So what do you suggest? Let Weasel take my money while he is laughing from me? No way. As I said many times, I am not lieing, I am 1000% sure what I say. So I will have to prove this legaly if this is the only option.
 
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