Scottish Independence


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I know there's a few of us from Scotland on here; what are you voting with regards to the referendum - yes or no?

With less than a month to go, I'm still undecided for whatever reason. Better make up my mind soon!

Rest of UK, how do you feel with regards to Scotland potentially becoming an independent country? Or do you not give a toss?

Will be interesting to hear some views.
 
I'm from Yorkshire, I think it's cool that Scotland is trying to be independent, I'm sure there are pros and cons to doing it, but I can't help but think about the financial implications it would mean for Scotland.
As in having to sort themselves out with the EU etc.

I think if independence is trying to be achieved due to someone be "proud to be a Scot" blablabla, and not thinking about the greater good of the people, it won't last, and if it does, it won't be a fun time.

I'm not too clued up on the "plan" after independence, but if there is something solid to help with unemployment etc, then why not.

I saw a few coffin dodgers on the news saying they were going to vote yes because they're proud to be a Scot and want Scotland to be Scotland but personally I think that's the wrong mindset.
 
Jeeez you love a controversial topic saks haha.


Im echoing the sentiments of the 2slow2sensible, I hate nationalism, patriotism and anything else that makes people feeel superior to others based on geographical location and arbitrary state division lines.

IMO there is no 'plan' for after independence because there is no guarantee what party will be elected. Therefore, again IMO, people are voting for the idea which they think 'sounds better'. Partly this is due to the poorly worded referendum question, partly its due to the stupidity of the general populous.

I will be voting no; to use an old adage "better the devil you know".
 
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There are far too many unknowns at this stage in the debates for Independence. There are certainly pro’s and con’s for each argument.

The biggest issue for me is money and finance, the simple question of “what currency will we use, and what is the contingency” cannot be answered which is worrying.

I am still undecided, but feel I will be voting no.

I don’t know what the repercussions of a no vote will be, will we be further alienated from Westminster, or gain greater powers through devolution.
 
rd55 dun said:
The biggest issue for me is money and finance, the simple question of “what currency will we use, and what is the contingency” cannot be answered which is worrying.
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Haha yeah I tried to avoid going on a mad economics rant in my post about the whole currency situation.
 
Jersey use the pound, Isle of Man use the pound, Guernsey use the pound and Gibraltar use the pound. Another scaremongering tactic from Westminister saying we won't get the pound.

Ok we would not be able to use our "pound" in the UK if we got indepence just like the above but the conversion rate is £1 to £1 :)

Would make no sense for England to deny Scotland the pound, I think if there was indepence there would be a currency union and we would get the pound.

That's just my view though :nice:
 
When I applied for a Commission from the RAF ranks this was a big topic for discussion. The Flt Lt conduction the interview was Scottish so it was interesting.
I don't think that Salmond expected Cameron to tell him to crack on. He doesn't appear to have thought through what he's proposed for the country. EU/ NATO membership. National defence. Economic policy.
With the currency debate it's stated from all Westminster head sheds that Scotland will not keep the pound. Alex say's we will because I say so.
EU membership, Scotland will gain membership through the UK? Devolving means that Scotland are not a UK state.
Scotland can join the EU but keep the pound. The EU requires any country applying to be part of the union to take the Euro as currency.

It's all been very 'we'll have what we want because I say so'.
 
EK9andy said:
When I applied for a Commission from the RAF ranks this was a big topic for discussion. The Flt Lt conduction the interview was Scottish so it was interesting.
I don't think that Salmond expected Cameron to tell him to crack on. He doesn't appear to have thought through what he's proposed for the country. EU/ NATO membership. National defence. Economic policy.
With the currency debate it's stated from all Westminster head sheds that Scotland will not keep the pound. Alex say's we will because I say so.
EU membership, Scotland will gain membership through the UK? Devolving means that Scotland are not a UK state.
Scotland can join the EU but keep the pound. The EU requires any country applying to be part of the union to take the Euro as currency.

It's all been very 'we'll have what we want because I say so'.
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That's what worries me. It seems like someones patriotism is the sole reason for the independence debate which may not be in the interest of the general public of Scotland :/
 
There has been some badly thought ideas thrown around. Lowering voting age to 16. Lower the voting age by all means but for the right reasons. Not to win over young patriotic teen guys full of testosterone.
Public screenings of Braveheart (so I've heard) the night before may fill people with a sense of national pride but again for the right reason?
 
EK9andy said:
There has been some badly thought ideas thrown around. Lowering voting age to 16. Lower the voting age by all means but for the right reasons. Not to win over young patriotic teen guys full of testosterone.
Public screenings of Braveheart (so I've heard) the night before may fill people with a sense of national pride but again for the right reason?
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I agree with you with. I would not be wanting the voting age to be lowered as morons will vote.

689R said:
Currency union ends only in disaster; whether thats with the pound or the euro.
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Pros and cons to both yes and no situations. I am still undecided as yet, I was a no voter to start with then swayed to yes and now I am stuck in the middle!
 
Thinking about what currency etc. we will have is so short sighted - this vote shouldn't be about what will happen in the year after the vote or even in 2020 - this is about whether being part of the UK is better for Scotland than being independent in the long run. I understand it is an issue and it will need sorting out, but it is not something I worry about too much. There will be plenty time post vote for Holyrood and Westminster to figure things out - currency is by far not the only thing that's up in the air. After all - does it really matter what currency will Scotland have? In many ways keeping Pound would be beneficial, but equally having and independent currency would have advantages too.
 
I don't know a lot about this matter but when ever I hear about it I think what would be done about certain things like paying tax(inland revinue)vehicle registration (and everything else the dvla controll) also things like the NHS etc etc?

Are there plans in place for any things like this?
 
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I don't know a lot about this matter but when ever I hear about it I think what would be done about certain things like paying tax(inland revinue)vehicle registration (and everything else the dvla controll) also things like the NHS etc etc?

Are there plans in place for any things like this?
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Abolish all speed limits! (with the exception around school areas)
 
oifovo said:
After all - does it really matter what currency will Scotland have? In many ways keeping Pound would be beneficial, but equally having and independent currency would have advantages too.
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In my humble opinion what you have wrote is much more short sighted than not worrying about the currency:

"The surest way to destroy a nation is to debauch its currency" - Lenin.

A currency union is a horrific plan, the UK already tried and failed at this with the EMS in the 90's not to mention the shambled economies of many EU countries, Spain, Greece etc etc which although affected by other issues, the Euro currency union is at the centre of their difficulties. Have you never thought why the UK has always opposed joining the Euro?

Furthermore introducing a new currency induces manifold difficulties; will the new currency be floating or fixed or pegged to another countries? This is not even mentioning the implications to life destroying inflation that could potentially arise in both the new currency and currency union scenarios. All of these are difficult and complex decisions, and whether you think it important or not, the currency chosen and the fiscal and monetary policy decisions that follow will dictate to a massive degree the success of an 'Independent Scotland'.


Now I think I will bow out of this thread.
 
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That's why I say - UK can keep their Pound, Scotland can have it's own Pound - it will initially start off at 1:1 and then the exchange rate will move one way or another depending on which country will be doing better. It wouldn't be the first or the last currency to come to existence. The problem from my point of view is that both YES and NO parties make claims about what WILL happen (according to them) should Scotland become independent and they totally contradict each other. Obviously only one can be right and figuring out which is next to impossible.
 
Well since we're all car enthusiasts, let's put a motoring spin on this shall we?

Still big unknowns over government agencies such as the DVLA; a lot of money and investment will be needed to setup such agencies should Scotland become independent.

What about the cost of fuel? They can make this cheaper since an iScotland won't be subject to the government's ridiculously high fuel duty.

And there's the issue of vehicle tax. And what if I want to import an FD2 - will Salmond make it hard for me?

Etc.
 
This thread is going to break EK9.org.

This argument is based entirely on human emotion on both sides and to try and have a sensible debate on the internet is impossible... But here goes

To vote yes because you are disillusioned by the problems and inequalities in our society would be a foolish thing to do. The SNP have proposed no answers to these problems but continue to raise them in support of their campaign.

To be part of a strong and economically stable union is not something that we should take for granted in todays world. Why should we risk everything with no evidence.

The economics behind an independent Scotland don't add up. To be part of any currency union or create our own currency would be settling for less than we currently have now.

Alex Salmond has this week been shroud waving over the future of the NHS. This is a disingenuous distraction as the Scottish government already has complete control over the NHS in Scotland and the power to shape its future.

I really hope that a 'silent majority' of Scots vote 'No' next month.

Sincerely,

A British Scot
 
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