Scottish Independence

[Bushell]

Agree with that^. Im a no voter. Doesnt make sense to me to vote yes for so many uncertainties.

 

[keithiesbig1]

I am going to start with the fact I will never give anyone abuse for what their views are etc as this is hugely based on people opinion and views, people need to learn to respect others!!!

I like many I know have still not made a decision.... the problem is that both sides give you bias information to make their side look good and the other side bad! There is no impartial information to help give you the facts.

The biggest thing I hate is the Scots that are saying things like "If you dont say yes your not a true scot, your stupid, brainwashed, scared...." etc and turning nasty on other Scots that dont have the same opinion as they do!

Everyone has their own decision to make and the right to their own vote, RESPECT IT!!! I just hope the majority of people do their research and not just vote "YES" because they hate the English or base their vote on their football team etc this is a HUGE decision which has consequences either way!

Doesnt matter if we are independent or part of the UK im still Scottish

 

[Saqib]

I am going to start with the fact I will never give anyone abuse for what their views are etc as this is hugely based on people opinion and views, people need to learn to respect others!!!

I like many I know have still not made a decision.... the problem is that both sides give you bias information to make their side look good and the other side bad! There is no impartial information to help give you the facts.

The biggest thing I hate is the Scots that are saying things like "If you dont say yes your not a true scot, your stupid, brainwashed, scared...." etc and turning nasty on other Scots that dont have the same opinion as they do!

Everyone has their own decision to make and the right to their own vote, RESPECT IT!!! I just hope the majority of people do their research and not just vote "YES" because they hate the English or base their vote on their football team etc this is a HUGE decision which has consequences either way!

Doesnt matter if we are independent or part of the UK im still Scottish

Well said

 

[b16 mini]

Not long now....

 

[rd55 dun]

Not long now…


…im still in the undecided camp. I think within the past week the Better Together campaign has totally lost all its self respect & integrity, and imo they are bricking themselves that we will have a Yes vote. No matter what happens tomorrow is a monumental day for the whole of the UK.


I think I will edge towards No due to the financial uncertainties…however these aside, I cant help but think that this is our only opportunity to gain our Independence, do we want to throw this away – no other countries which have had this opportunity have thrown it away.


Yes is a scary movement, No could be scarier!

 

[elchunk]

The UK is ****** when Scotland leaves. The posh twats in London have left it too late to release and are now shitting bricks.

 

[darren-godfrey]

What i can't grasp is that if this is the only chance we are going to get at an independent Scotland why we are not grabbing it. Every other country have been desperate for it and with the polls nearly 50/50 it makes me wonder why Scotland doesn't want it, too many people are afraid and just voting no because they think it is a vote for no change but in reality its not at all.

BOOO p.s vote yes

 

[rd55 dun]

What i can't grasp is that if this is the only chance we are going to get at an independent Scotland why we are not grabbing it. Every other country have been desperate for it and with the polls nearly 50/50 it makes me wonder why Scotland doesn't want it, too many people are afraid and just voting no because they think it is a vote for no change but in reality its not at all.

When i take away my fears/thoughts on the economic consequences...that is my thought exactly.

 

[keithiesbig1]

It really sums up the Scottish the fact some Pubs are staying open all night/morning until the result comes in.....

Either way, there is going to be a few pi$$ heads turning up to work more hammered than usual on the Friday

 

[b16 mini]

The UK is ****** when Scotland leaves. The posh twats in London have left it too late to release and are now shitting bricks.

The "posh twats in the uk" probably care a lot less than you think.
They will still be wealthy and comfortable,
If all the big British company's that have said they will pull out of Scotland if it becomes independent do so it will have a massive effect.
I don't see how Scotland could possibly sustain itself when it has nothing in place to start with.
Surely The cost of replacing everything that Britain takes with them is going to require massive tax hikes?

Every question that is put Alex salmond he seems to just say "oh that's just scare mongering"
In other words "I have no answer"

On another note, if the British touring car championship and other big race series decide to ditch knockhill off their fixture list then that could have a very detrimental effect on the upkeep of the curcuit

I think if you vote yes your screwed
If you vote no your screwed, but no more than the rest of us

 

[msc52]

Why don't the English get a say because it WILL effect all of us.

 

[oifovo]

I'm not sure this is the best place but here we go - I've spent a lot of time thinking about how am I going to vote. Yes, the future is uncertain if we vote yes, but that will always be the case. It always takes a giant leap of faith to create something, being it a new business, personal relationship or in this case a country. As far as finances go - the big companies would have to be mad to leave - there are 5 million customers in Scotland, why would they do that? They can move the registered address, but that doesn't mean much, corporate tax is paid where the business took place, registered address has little to do with it. The same goes for bank bailouts - do a google search on "who bailed out RBS" and you'll find that the majority of the money came from the US - Why? I was 50:50 until about a month ago, when the simple fact that Scotland in case of a yes vote will always be able to choose its government started to sway me towards voting Yes. In the past couple of weeks the terrible Better Together campaign made me certain. Btw I sold our TV and cancelled my TV license 2 weeks ago and have no intention of renewing it, the BBC coverage was not impartial in the slightest!

 

[b16 mini]

Why don't the English get a say because it WILL effect all of us.

It sure will, but who will suffer the most?
I very much doubt it will have any effect on my life,I have no say there's nothing I can do so I don't care.
I couldn't live much further away from Scotland with out falling in the sea

 

[darren-godfrey]

Why don't the English get a say because it WILL effect all of us.

If every person in Scotland voted yes and everyone in just London voted no then we would still not get independence, i think thats why because the population of England is so large so would be unfair realy.

 

[mld22]

I will be deeply saddened if Scotland votes Yes today.

Could Scotland be an independent county? Of Course
Should Scotland be an independent country. Definitely Not

The economic proposals will most definitely lead to a weaker nation than we currently have, and one that would be more dependant on the UK government than ever. A country which does not have the control of its own Monetary Policy is doomed when it comes to tackling interest rates and inflation issues. This is not independence and a real danger to the future of Scotland. I fear that the public have not really understood how big of a threat this is.

I believe that on principle it is wrong to leave the UK to support your own (perceived) gains at the expense of others in the Union. We are in this together, a strong group of nations that mutually benefit from their strengths and have comparatively coped very well in the recent economic climate. We need to further connect with our neighbours, not create barriers between us.

The flaws and inequalities in our society have always existed and the SNP do not have a special solution to these problems. Do not be fooled by emotions and Alex Salmond's hopes. In a Socialist society we can try and reduce inequalities but I truly believe that an Independent Scotland would be less effective at addressing these problems than a United Kingdom.

 

[oifovo]

Martin - first of all I will say I can see reasons for staying in the UK, but none of them outweighs the benefits of becoming independent. Independent Scotland should have its own currency and I believe Sterling should only be used as a stop gap - just like Ireland did.
You say it is wrong say to leave the Union because of the others - that'd be a fair point if the other members of this Union treated Scotland fairly - which I don't believe they have been doing - Westminster in particular. However if someone feels strongly they are British rather than Scottish then I can understand that they don't want to separate.
How effective has UK been so far in addressing inequalities? That will never be the top priority of any Tory government and I'm sure you do realize that. SNP may not have a special solution, but this is not about SNP! Come general election you can vote for whoever you feel will best lead the country, which is something you can do now as well, but your vote is against 12 English votes, so if England thinks otherwise your vote means very little. These are the reason why I'm voting yes, not because I hate the English (which I don't) or because I love Alex "the salesman" Salmond... I have been through a country separation before and nothing imploded, both countries are still there, happier than before the split - no more of this "They steal from us!" or "We have to subsidize them!"...

 

[Wazer]

The "posh twats in the uk" probably care a lot less than you think.
They will still be wealthy and comfortable,
If all the big British company's that have said they will pull out of Scotland if it becomes independent do so it will have a massive effect.
I don't see how Scotland could possibly sustain itself when it has nothing in place to start with.
Surely The cost of replacing everything that Britain takes with them is going to require massive tax hikes?

Every question that is put Alex salmond he seems to just say "oh that's just scare mongering"
In other words "I have no answer"

On another note, if the British touring car championship and other big race series decide to ditch knockhill off their fixture list then that could have a very detrimental effect on the upkeep of the curcuit

I think if you vote yes your screwed
If you vote no your screwed, but no more than the rest of us

He doesn't have any answers, goes off at a complete tangent when hes asked one!

Also, the military side of things - as of now there are 2 raf bases in Scotland, a few naval bases and a dozen+ army camps. What will happen to these and the 15k+ (complete guess, but probably more) personnel work there?

They all pay for goods and commodities within Scotland aiding them, in effect - I wonder how Scotland would fare without them?

Hell, I'm all up for Scottish independence, but I simply don't think it'll work out as he plans - also, Alex keeps ranting on about the Scandinavian states/region as being well off. True, they are! But not only has it taken decades for them to get there + they are among the most taxed in the world.

If the Scots don't get it this year, a few years down the line - definitely.

 

[b16 mini]

He doesn't have any answers, goes off at a complete tangent when hes asked one!

Also, the military side of things - as of now there are 2 raf bases in Scotland, a few naval bases and a dozen+ army camps. What will happen to these and the 15k+ (complete guess, but probably more) personnel work there?

They all pay for goods and commodities within Scotland aiding them, in effect - I wonder how Scotland would fare without them?

Hell, I'm all up for Scottish independence, but I simply don't think it'll work out as he plans - also, Alex keeps ranting on about the Scandinavian states/region as being well off. True, they are! But not only has it taken decades for them to get there + they are among the most taxed in the world.

If the Scots don't get it this year, a few years down the line - definitely.

Was talking about the same thing the other day. My girlfriends dad is RAF.
It's not just the military personal it's the contractors etc etc that all go along with it.

So if Scotland have no real military who's going to look after them in the event of a war/attack/crisis?

 

[Wazer]

Was talking about the same thing the other day. My girlfriends dad is RAF.
It's not just the military personal it's the contractors etc etc that all go along with it.

So if Scotland have no real military who's going to look after them in the event of a war/attack/crisis?

Exactly, must be hundreds of contractors per base at the very minimum! Not sure if this is correct, but I think they're entitled to a % of the current forces. That means they'll get typhoon and have to get a contract with BAE too.

No idea there, maybe G4s lol.

I guess we'll have to wait and let things plan out before we can speculate what actually happens. I've just moved home, would hate to move again - haha!

 

[Saqib]

In the next 14 hours or so we'll have the result...