Vtec Challenge - Boost??

[clockwoRk]

Not really, you said there was a massive difference in power within the class but they both push out more or less the same.
The problem was the Production class was too open meaning you had one very well sorted car fighting for overall wins at one end of the spectrum and at the other end were just stripped, caged and lowered road cars. Like I said the new regs sort out a lot of those anomalies so we should have three competitive classes.

 

[Topher-EK9]

With the difference in power though, it can't be hard to simply add weight or restrictors to keep the power to weight ratio regulated ..

I mean obviously there isn't much point having an Ek9 running a full track setup with regards to brakes and suspension with a turbo running 450 Whp in the Vtec challenge as it would in no way be fair, yes i understand the driver makes a difference but when you are talking a 150Hp advantage it kind of removes the driver side of things..

 

[Nuno@Camtec]

With the difference in power though, it can't be hard to simply add weight or restrictors to keep the power to weight ratio regulated ..

I mean obviously there isn't much point having an Ek9 running a full track setup with regards to brakes and suspension with a turbo running 450 Whp in the Vtec challenge as it would in no way be fair, yes i understand the driver makes a difference but when you are talking a 150Hp advantage it kind of removes the driver side of things..

this is true, drivers make a difference to certain limit.

if u can just overtake on straights with little driving effort then thats ****.

IMO it would be cool to have boosted cars init, not only would it add more cars to the race series, but also opens opportunities for the boosted guys out there.

Nuno.

 

[V-TEC ABUSER]

Hear what you saying here, but...

Why would boost class need power regulating when all the other classes dont?

Nuno.

Well it would need regulating because joe blogs could have a 280bhp boosted Honda and other people for instance Corten miller could apply and they have a 500bhp eg. Sooo that is a massive difference, I think it would work if you put a 350-400bhp limit on it, anything any lower and you might as well go n/a. Ish

 

[haitch]

I was in ST, 230hp, think Rob's DC5 was as well, only managed two weekends unfortunately, didnt care about the classes as Im new to racing, plenty other things to deal with.

 

[Nuno@Camtec]

Well it would need regulating because joe blogs could have a 280bhp boosted Honda and other people for instance Corten miller could apply and they have a 500bhp eg. Sooo that is a massive difference, I think it would work if you put a 350-400bhp limit on it, anything any lower and you might as well go n/a. Ish

ye you are right mate.

Nuno.

 

[Murray]

if you also read the other bits iv said i have agreed its not all down to the car or driver its a mixture of both. but i am not stupid enough to go just smash a turbo on to a car and it will win iv been preparing to go into racing for the past.....3 or 4 years slowly building up my ek9 into a race car, i have suspention setup i have 4 pot brakes i have uprated engine mounts better gearbox preparing to get msa cage etc etc i expected people to know i wouldnt be running a stock ek9 with a turbo as that would be idiotic. the argument isnt about what is better the argument was that turbo should be given a chance in a race series to be proven it can be competetive aggainst a well set up n/a build

also at what point did i say it was a stock b16? i never i have got a b18c4 to turbo i have done my research and am planning on doing things properly i already have the chasis set up well but have gone as far as i can see with the setup without a cage, which will not make a difference as id be having one of them anyway to race so that is going to help either setup. its like looking at the cnc challenge there are pocket rocket minis, rx7`s, elise v8 there all different types that work well in a series as different tracks suit different cars.

the question was why no turbo in vtec challenge not what is best, if they allow a series to be run with or separate then we shall see what happens on the track.

You cant expect me to know how you would do things, seriously?

Also you never said anything about a stock b16, I used that as an example as you did with your ST.

Im not arguing what is better, i would like to see more boosted Hondas out on there own little series aswell, IMO it wont happen.
As for what clockwork said, even if boosted Hondas did get there own class within the vtc, you will be out on circuit with the NA guys but you wont be competing with them, And you will propably end up having a staggered grids like the XR2s and STs up here.

Murray

 

[kev_ek9]

You cant expect me to know how you would do things, seriously?

Also you never said anything about a stock b16, I used that as an example as you did with your ST.

Im not arguing what is better, i would like to see more boosted Hondas out on there own little series aswell, IMO it wont happen.
As for what clockwork said, even if boosted Hondas did get there own class within the vtc, you will be out on circuit with the NA guys but you wont be competing with them, And you will propably end up having a staggered grids like the XR2s and STs up here.

Murray

i dont, but you cant seriously think that anyone in there right minds would go into a race series without something done to there car like brakes or suspension mods or some small power mods as unless it a stock championship they would never be competative.

i know i never thats why i said it

s owould i hense why i am backing nuno on this iv already raised it on the vtec challenge forum as i think there would be a good amount of entrants.

they did have a run anything day but mine is not even built yet and neither is nunos, if they do another next year it maybe a different story

 

[clockwoRk]

Out of interest, what series are you thinking of entering Kev? Just thinking in a lot of these open type of series (CNC, Northern saloons, Eurosaloons) if you run a turbo on a N/A car it tends to put you in one of the "anything goes" classes with the crazy stuff.

In fact I just had a little look at the CNC NW Sports and Saloons SRs and with the basis of you running 1800cc turbo (for which they would apply the 1.7:1 capacity adjustment for FI), you would be in Class A - Special Sports and Saloon Cars 2501cc and over

Nippon Challenge could be worth a look as that has classes based on bhp with min weights, but tbh I don't know how that one stands with fitting a turbo to a n/a car.

 

[kev_ek9]

Out of interest, what series are you thinking of entering Kev? Just thinking in a lot of these open type of series (CNC, Northern saloons, Eurosaloons) if you run a turbo on a N/A car it tends to put you in one of the "anything goes" classes with the crazy stuff.

In fact I just had a little look at the CNC NW Sports and Saloons SRs and with the basis of you running 1800cc turbo (for which they would apply the 1.7:1 capacity adjustment for FI), you would be in Class A - Special Sports and Saloon Cars 2501cc and over

Nippon Challenge could be worth a look as that has classes based on bhp with min weights, but tbh I don't know how that one stands with fitting a turbo to a n/a car.

originally i was looking at the 1600 class in the vtec challenge but then blew up my b16b, so wanted to go 1 up for the 1800 class got a rebuild b18c bottom end to join with my ek9 head for a decent setup but again engine blew so i just really wanted to go balls out so went for boost and thought it would be possible to run in the tuner class but until read regs didnt realise boost was not allowed. i wanted to race in vtec challenge as iv met a fair few of the guys breifly and they all seem nice and been on the vtec challenge forum pretty much since the begining and enjoyed it all and seing the progress of it all.
Iv also been in the honda scene for a number of years an like all the people iv met and love the way hondas drive so wanted to compete with other like minded people, not saying other series arnt like that but iv never met ( not that there aint any ) a honda driver that thinks there car is the best and fastest like you do with other so called enthusiasts as this would just rial me if someone thought there cars was just better, honda owners and racers aint like that.

 

[haitch]

What caused the death of both your engines?

 

[kev_ek9]

the b16b was spark plug tip blew put a hole in the exhaust valve and left a crown in the piston, the other i am honestly not to sure it was not working from word go think oil pump let go but replaced that for one that was wokring prior and still didnt also other reasons which i cant say on here really. head is still fine as i used the b16b head but replaced valve got head skimmed and pressure tested and had gaskets replaced so hmmmm

you thinking i would kill a turbo if i bust both the engines?

 

[haitch]

Just asking

Sounds like you have not had much luck there.

 

[clockwoRk]

originally i was looking at the 1600 class in the vtec challenge but then blew up my b16b, so wanted to go 1 up for the 1800 class got a rebuild b18c bottom end to join with my ek9 head for a decent setup but again engine blew so i just really wanted to go balls out so went for boost and thought it would be possible to run in the tuner class but until read regs didnt realise boost was not allowed. i wanted to race in vtec challenge as iv met a fair few of the guys breifly and they all seem nice and been on the vtec challenge forum pretty much since the begining and enjoyed it all and seing the progress of it all.
Iv also been in the honda scene for a number of years an like all the people iv met and love the way hondas drive so wanted to compete with other like minded people, not saying other series arnt like that but iv never met ( not that there aint any ) a honda driver that thinks there car is the best and fastest like you do with other so called enthusiasts as this would just rial me if someone thought there cars was just better, honda owners and racers aint like that.

OK I got all that, but the car you're building isn't eligible and I thought I read somewhere that you were going to have it finished next year so just wondering what your plans were. Personally I don't think CNC or Northen Saloons would be such a bad shout for you. The circuits will all the relatively local and if you look at their results the classes are scattered all over the place anyway so I'd ignore that bit. tbh once you've done a couple of rounds you'll get to know which cars have similar pace to you so you'll race against them.

 

[kingy]

So are any of you boosted chaps coming out to play at the VTC all comers event at Rockingham on 11th August?

 

[haitch]

I hear the boosted motor did really well at Croft..