first mods to a ctr!!?

[absolutlysideways]

hi im considering buying a ek9 but coming from a 315bhp turbocharged celica gt4 i dont want a bog standard ek9 (because i feel there not quick enough)BUT i feel they have huge potential.

i havent even sold my celica yet but im considering buying the following mods to put into the ek9 when it arrives,let me know if you think they are worthwhile or if you recommend anything better,and what gains will these mods see over stock?

skunk2 adjustable coilovers
fidanza lightweight flywheel
j's racing induction kit
4 branch manifold
decat pipe
full 2.25 exhaust system
toda or skunk cams+springs
spoon ecu


thanks

 

[type-r-mad]

ive not herd much about skunk 2 coilovers but i use the d2's and they are really good, either that or teins, but they dont go as low

 

[absolutlysideways]

with the above mods listed do ya think id make close to 200bhp at the fly?how do these ek9s react to mods?cheers

 

[rvm]

with the above mods listed do ya think id make close to 200bhp at the fly?how do these ek9s react to mods?cheers

Nice list of mods, the thing I don't like is the spoon ecu! you will pay like 600 $ + when you can get a full programable ecu for like 700 $ or 800 $! (apexi power fc)

Also what toda or skunk 2 camshafts do you plan to install ? for example, toda spec b camshafts ? skunk pro series stage 2 ?

Before changing the camshafts, I will recommend adding a good cold air intake,(like mugen) and a nice exhaust manifold, for example a toda one. (they're very expensive..)

I prefer d2 or tein over skunk2 coil overs If they retail almost at the same price, you should go for this other brands.

Fidanza flywheel, I think it's too light for a daily drive, remember that your car will rev up faster, but the revs will also drop faster, I prefer a Toda one. User Blinx9900 had one fidanza flywheel in his car, and he recommends it! It all depends to you and your budget

 

[absolutlysideways]

cheers for the reply mate,

first off - i use the apexi power fc in my gt4 and yes it is a great unit but have not come across many for sale so far for the ek9 so an alternative would be spoon/hondata etc

the cams i was thinking is the skunk2 stage 2 as in my experience i think that these will give me a more aggressive response when in vtec than lower down the revs.am i right in saying that? i think that i may as well make the most of the vtec powerband because lets face it,it will be in vtec revs most of the time with my driving style also theres not very much power under the 6k mark

i was planning a j's racing induction with a custon carbon fibre box sheilding it from hot engine temps with a custom cold feed from the front grille and ive seen nice exhaust manifolds for sale along with decats for sale(not sure on brand or quality but im sure they will do the job and a 2.25 or 2.5 custom exhaust system...

the skunk2 coilovers are about 500quid but maybe ill get lucky and fink an ek9 with them installed already

i had a fidanza in the sir and would recommend it too

oh and finally i plan on rebuilding this car after a few months and sticking a nice turbo on it

any opinions people?also the black 00ek9 seem to be very rare and thats the only color i want because theres LOADS of white ones in this country

 

[blinx9900]

any reason why you dont just turbocharge your ek9? it will cost less and youll have more power.

 

[absolutlysideways]

any reason why you dont just turbocharge your ek9? it will cost less and youll have more power.

oh and finally i plan on rebuilding this car after a few months and sticking a nice turbo on it

i will but i will be going to australia in 6 months for work and will be leaving my car in to get the turbo treatment and rebulid then but for now i need a car that is cheap to run and add about 2k-3k worth of mods to have it fairly nippy in the meantime

 

[blinx9900]

then i suggest you start with parts that will compliment the turbo set up like:

3 inch exhuast
apex power FC
fuel pressure regulator
750 cc injectors
walboro 255lph fuel pump
aftermarket radiator
slim fan
ARP head studs
stronger clutch
oil catch can

no point in getting a header and intake if your just going to take them off when you do the turbo. you dont need cams, turbo honda with type R cams can make up to 700whp. instead spend the money on a good ball bearing turbo, thats going to be the heart of your build.

here is a link to my turbo b16b thread:
http://www.ek9.org/forum/showthread.php?t=170&highlight=turbo+b16b

 

[ManosEK9]

the cams i was thinking is the skunk2 stage 2 as in my experience i think that these will give me a more aggressive response when in vtec than lower down the revs.am i right in saying that? i think that i may as well make the most of the vtec powerband because lets face it,it will be in vtec revs most of the time with my driving style also theres not very much power under the 6k mark

That's absolutely true!

 

[absolutlysideways]

@blinx - i will have a buyer for all the parts i dont need...so im not worried about that but the turbo conversion will not be done until im away in aus so id rather have it nicely modified until then if you know what i mean,ive driven stock type rs and they arent too quick stock so id rather have it with some tasteful mods that i can sell on when i no longer need them instead of driving it stock its a big power difference coming from a 315bhp car to a 180bhp car what power did yours make?i would be looking for around 350bhpand to do this i may go for the 1800cc integra engine?

i know exactly what ill need to turbo it thanks,i have modified my last cars and am very familiar

1999 glanza v 133bhp stock -> 198bhp
1998 celicaGT4 250bhp stock -> 315bhp

cheers

 

[blinx9900]

@blinx - i will have a buyer for all the parts i dont need...so im not worried about that but the turbo conversion will not be done until im away in aus so id rather have it nicely modified until then if you know what i mean,ive driven stock type rs and they arent too quick stock so id rather have it with some tasteful mods that i can sell on when i no longer need them instead of driving it stock its a big power difference coming from a 315bhp car to a 180bhp car what power did yours make?i would be looking for around 350bhpand to do this i may go for the 1800cc integra engine?

i know exactly what ill need to turbo it thanks,i have modified my last cars and am very familiar

1999 glanza v 133bhp stock -> 198bhp
1998 celicaGT4 250bhp stock -> 315bhp

cheers

i wass making about 300whp which is about 350bhp, you wont have a problem really except i highly recomend getting forged pistons/rods due to the high compression it gets really hot, i ended up melting #3 piston cause there was too much timing i know stock can hold up to 300whp if tuned correctly but its up to you.

didnt mean to insult you by giving you the parts list, its just that a lot of people on here are not too familiar with turbo hondas

if you choose the integra engine or the b16b engine it really wont make too much of a difference as long as you build either one with forged pistons/rods it will end up the same, unless you end up using a massive turbocharger then the 1.8 will help spool up. but i had a bb t3/tO4e on my b16b and it was spooling at 3000rpms while a friend of mine had an ls/vtec 1.85 litre with the same turbo as me but his was NOT ball bearing and he spooled at about 4000+rpm

 

[absolutlysideways]

cheers mate,no insult taken
i wouldnt dare use stock internals mate,forgies are a must!

one question for you though mate,what will i need in order to allow my engine to rev up to 10k rpm safely?cams/valvessprings/forged conrods and appropriate fuelling but is there anythink im forgetting?

 

[blinx9900]

one question for you though mate,what will i need in order to allow my engine to rev up to 10k rpm safely?cams/valvessprings/forged conrods and appropriate fuelling but is there anythink im forgetting?

why do you want to rev up that high? what size turbo do you plan to use? how much power to you wish to make?

imo the whole point of going turbo is to avoid having to rev the engine so high, thus giving the engine some reliability.

i highyly adivise against your quest for such high revs but to answer your question: fully built sleeved balanced and blueprinted short block, fully built head, ported and polished with full vavletrain and some kind of cams that will actually make power that high (most dont), arp head studs, a stronger timing belt, upgraded oil pump. and even with all this you wont get more than a 10,000 miles out of it. remember rpm=ruins people motors

now thats just the engine, now you need to upgrade your trans to be able to shift at those speeds which will cost about another 2500+ for parts and labor.

the high revving desire is usually for all motor people, cause thats the only way they can make power with such low displacement, but for a boosted engine, there is just no need, most people take it up to about 8500rpm, i know people with 5-600whp and they **** at 8500

 

[ManosEK9]

imo the whole point of going turbo is to avoid having to rev the engine so high, thus giving the engine some reliability.

You are right, and I think the main idea behind the turbochargers when initially came out was to provide fuel economy right? This might seem strange but that's what Ive heard, as long as though you just stroke the pedal with your foot

 

[blinx9900]

You are right, and I think the main idea behind the turbochargers when initially came out was to provide fuel economy right? This might seem strange but that's what Ive heard, as long as though you just stroke the pedal with your foot

um possibly, im not sure where they started, but im sure the idea was for improved efficiency or something like that.

 

[absolutlysideways]

to be honest lads im going all out on it so the money will be spent on the essentials,ive seen a spoon kit for 11k rpm..

 

[rvm]

to be honest lads im going all out on it so the money will be spent on the essentials,ive seen a spoon kit for 11k rpm..

Is not reliable I think

 

[absolutlysideways]

ah ok ,well reliability is a big issue as it will be daily drive
guess ill have to stick with 9k rpm

 

[blinx9900]

spoon kit is discontinued.

 

[blinx9900]

I personally would never disrespect my EK9 and put a turbo on it. I have owned 2 turbo charged cars and they were headaches. TOO sensitive and not consistent. type-R engines are made to be normally aspirated. If u do it right you can get a type-R enging to do 13's for u on the 1/4 mile EASY.

yeah and how much money would that cost? and you still would have less than 250whp and you think an na motor making 250whp isent sensative? youd be lucky to get 10,000 miles out of it, its gonna idle like ****, its gonna be loud as hell, and its gonna be really sensative cause your gonna need like 12.5+ compression and race gas.

it has nothing to do with respect, its about being fast, and guess what, my car will always be faster than yours. even if you spend $10,000 and build a full 2.0 you'll still be slower, think about that next time you bash turbo's. i used to love NA too, but its just not practical.