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Haribo1187

Haribo1187

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Hey Guys..

Just in the process of improving my 2000 Rx's performance and handling.. So far I have fitted AEM CAI - Spoon N1 and B Pipe - Toda 4-2-1 manifold - Tein SS Coilovers - Skunk 2 Rear Anti Roll Bar - Spoon Ignition Leads And Plugs..

I am now ready for more engine power - Will I rerquire head work to benifit the Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams ?? I will be going for a Hondata re-map after fitting.

What also could I do to improve power N/A ??

Cheers - Andy
 
Haribo1187 said:
I am now ready for more engine power - Will I rerquire head work to benifit the Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams ?? I will be going for a Hondata re-map after fitting.

What also could I do to improve power N/A ??

Cheers - Andy
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Definitely!! You need to increase compression to get max results....... So, do some port & polish, put a thinner gasket and then start from there your mod list. :) Don't forget valvesprings and retainers with those cams!! Also, don't forget to set the rev limiter at least 9100 rpm cuz Skunk2 Stage 2 make power until that point! :D
Good luck! :nice:
 
hve you looked into replacing ur stock flywheel / clutch... frm a lighter flywheel u will benefit on acceleration!

in the meantime u can replace ur engine mounts saving labour cost... :nice:
 
yeh mate get the head off it and get down to engine resource (agra) in dundee they will sort your head out,lol,at the same time they could port your standard throttle body.
they could also lighten your flywheel.
 
Cheers for the ideas guys.. Im just a tad scared the head work goes wrong - wat would actualy be involved ??
I was thinking about fitting the Skunk2 intake manifold and throttle body - anyone have opinion on these ??

Cheers - Andy
 
Skunk 2 stage 2 cams, with stock compression, will not work in the b16b in my opinion (you will feel more power, but you will not be getting what the cams can give you) you will need your head lowered like 10 mm or 20 mm (the most) and a after market head gasket, to raise your compression.

Instead on "modding" the engine now, I will focus on the gear box.

4.78 final drive, with a toda flywheel and a act clutch stage 1. You will feel a big difference :)

this is just my opinion :)
 
rvm said:
you will need your head lowered like 10 mm or 20 mm (the most) and a after market head gasket, to raise your compression.
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numbers correct, units of measure wrong ;) .010" or .020" is what your referring to :nice:

the idea is for every .010 you mill off, you gain .3 compression. but i think thats only up to .030 then you gain less.

rvm said:
4.78 final drive, with a toda flywheel and a act clutch stage 1. You will feel a big difference :)
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thats exactly what i was gonna say :nice: 4.7 or 4.9 FD will give you a very nice difference.
 
blinx9900 said:
thats exactly what i was gonna say :nice: 4.7 or 4.9 FD will give you a very nice difference.
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By putting only a 4.7 FD without lighter flywheel, will again feel enough faster?? I haven't experienced this and i just want to put 4.78 without fly or clutch or something else..........:)
 
a shorter FD on its own will be a huge improvement, the flywheel helps too, but you WILL feel the difference even with a stock clutch/fly. just remember when you increase the speed at which the motor accelerates, the motor is making exhaust faster! this is why i always say to get a large exhaust 60mm+
 
Ok Guys - Yeah ive been looking into the 4.9 final drive - who would supply at reasonable price in Uk ?? Is it difficult for a garage to fit ??

So by upping my compression I will benifit alot from the Skunk 2 cams ?? Its a big job just taking the head off primaraly to do this, new timing belt, reatainers, springs, and the cams themselves - gonna put a pretty hole in my bank account !! lol.

So idealy what will I have to do to build a fast road n/a engine ??

Cheers - Andy
 
Where in Uk r u? TGM Motorsport in Fleet will be doing mine.
 
Haribo1187 said:
So by upping my compression I will benifit alot from the Skunk 2 cams ?? Its a big job just taking the head off primaraly to do this, new timing belt, reatainers, springs, and the cams themselves - gonna put a pretty hole in my bank account !! lol.
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If what you want is a crazy ass engine behaviour at high rpm then buy them and you will not regret it! If on the other hand you dislike this or you need more midrange then a set of Toda Spec B's would do the job for you :D

Haribo1187 said:
So idealy what will I have to do to build a fast road n/a engine ??
Cheers - Andy
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Just a hole in your bank account would not be enough imo :(
 
very very expensive... I was in the same situation as you now a month ago and now know the real deal and cost is with your mechanic and tuner. Parts is the easiest bit of tuning, fitting and tuning is the most important thing to think about. Thats why you should do the minor mods first. eg gearbox, boring the TB etc etc. If you've got the cash, then who cares right?

btw, Toda C has been proven better than B with the b16b. Vice versa with the B18C though.
 
Ok guys - Ive just took my box out today, its going to a transmision specialist nxt week for a full recon with 4.78 final drive - exedy clutch and flywheel ! Looking forward to getting it back !!

So would the following work ??? - Toda 4-2-1 manifold - Spoon B pipe - Spoon N1 - AEM CAI - Spoon Plus And Leads - 4.78 Final Drive - Exedy Clutch and Lightened F/Wheel - Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams - Valve Springs - Retainers - Spoon Polished Valves - Spoon Head Gasket - .10" Head Work - Port And Polish - Skunk 2 Inlet Manifold Ported And Plosihed - Skunk2 Throttle Body - AEM Fuel Rail and Presure Reg - Hondata Re-map..

What sort of power would I be likely to see with that ?? Could I also fit the Spoon stroker kit to the above ?? Would it be ok with the headwork and cams ??

Cheers - Andy
 
Haribo1187 said:
Ok guys - Ive just took my box out today, its going to a transmision specialist nxt week for a full recon with 4.78 final drive - exedy clutch and flywheel ! Looking forward to getting it back !!

So would the following work ??? - Toda 4-2-1 manifold - Spoon B pipe - Spoon N1 - AEM CAI - Spoon Plus And Leads - 4.78 Final Drive - Exedy Clutch and Lightened F/Wheel - Skunk2 Stage 2 Cams - Valve Springs - Retainers - Spoon Polished Valves - Spoon Head Gasket - .10" Head Work - Port And Polish - Skunk 2 Inlet Manifold Ported And Plosihed - Skunk2 Throttle Body - AEM Fuel Rail and Presure Reg - Hondata Re-map..

What sort of power would I be likely to see with that ?? Could I also fit the Spoon stroker kit to the above ?? Would it be ok with the headwork and cams ??

Cheers - Andy
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By stroking it to 1.8 you will take back a totally different car...:shocked: but even as a 1.6, with all those parts and mods that you are gonna match, expect lots of gains! I don't know how Hondata will work with these though.....
A Power FC would be a guaranteed solution however. :)
Also, in case you can afford some extra cash, go for a set of lightened(reliable) wheels such as Rays or Advan to improve your handling, acceleration and deceleration :nice:
 
you might as well do the stroker kit as your pretty much got half of the engine apart. Save you labour later.
 
bloody hell andy your going all out mate!!!,you must have deep pockets he he,i defo want to see this when its all done,scrap the hondata idea though,would be aswell getting your tb ported to 62mm when you get your head and inlet manifold ported rather than buying the skunk2 one eh?
 
Hey Guys..

Ive just been down to the very well respected AGRA Engineering about my head work etc.. They are great help in this aspect..

I told them about my plans to fit the 1.8 Stroker kit and cams - with headwork in mind.. They said that I was completely out of my mind to raise the compression anymore than what the stroker kit will give me... The 1.8 stroke will raise my compression to 11.3:1 - They said if I went up near 12:1 my car would be bearly drivable on the road.. They also said if I did want compression raised it is much safer and more efective to skim the block and not the cylinder head.. They seem to know there stuff as I was taken through to the dyno bench tester and they had a Ford Crossflow engine running Jenvey throttle bodys and kent cams !! 280 bhp 1.6 !!! haha

What you guys think on this info from them ??

Cheers - Andy
 
Sounds good. Just a idea, would it be cheaper for you to get A ITR engine and do A transplant? Its hard to find good people to build these engines correctly with after market parts. Best of luck with it :nice:
 
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