K20 FTW? Maybe not!


Jugbugz have you had any experience of stroked K20's? Or frankenstein K24's?

Sadly YouTube lacks anything on those...:drool:
 
Championship White said:
Jugbugz have you had any experience of stroked K20's? Or frankenstein K24's?

Sadly YouTube lacks anything on those...:drool:
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No I don't sorry, but australias fastest na honda is a k24 Frankenstein in an EG chassis that runs 11s. He used to run jdm K20a and says the difference in torque is huge! Eats the k20 in bottom end.

I hope everyone doesn't start this b18 vs k20 like the b16 vs b18 bs
 
_JT said:
From what I've read you'll have to pay up for at least 3k extra to install a K20.....3k on a B18c should get you quite some real world power. The JDM K20 won't do 225hp stock either on our crappy fuel. From what I've seen, with 3k you should easilly pass the 225hp mark on a B18c. Then again, that's not practical experience, but what I've seen on dyno's. But imagine a B18c with Toda replica header, free flowing exhaust, other IM, bigger TB, custom stock CAI, Hondata S200, very agressive cams with springs and retainers and a good tune...Or maybe even ITB's. I think it would outrun a K20. But thats still speculation.
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i think 3k is exaggerated or for someone who can't do the work themselves,conversion parts cost half that.

if you did all the mods above to a b18c properly it would cost more than 3k and you'd end up with a car that would be a nightmare to drive on a daily basis imo whereas the k20a1 will easily be tuned to 240 bhp and not lose the daily drivability.
 
corral said:
i think 3k is exaggerated or for someone who can't do the work themselves,conversion parts cost half that.

if you did all the mods above to a b18c properly it would cost more than 3k and you'd end up with a car that would be a nightmare to drive on a daily basis imo whereas the k20a1 will easily be tuned to 240 bhp and not lose the daily drivability.
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My thoughts exactly.

Its easy to say, throw this amount of money here and there but when it comes down it it, a highly tuned B18 will be a difficult car for daily use.

K20A FTW! :win:
 
corral said:
i think 3k is exaggerated or for someone who can't do the work themselves,conversion parts cost half that.

if you did all the mods above to a b18c properly it would cost more than 3k and you'd end up with a car that would be a nightmare to drive on a daily basis imo whereas the k20a1 will easily be tuned to 240 bhp and not lose the daily drivability.
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Where I live a JDM K20 is already 1500 euro's more expensive than a B18c.

Engine mounts: 600
Loom: 400
ECU: 375
Header: 400
Wiring etc for shifter: 150
Axles: 300

Those are the most expensive parts I can think of now. It makes for a total of 2125 dollars. And that excluding VAT, import taxes and shipping! And then not to mention the price of a JDM K20a!

I think if you take ITB's and tune them properly instead of agressive cams, the car would be pretty driveable on a daily basis, don't you?
 
_JT said:
Where I live a JDM K20 is already 1500 euro's more expensive than a B18c.

Engine mounts: 600
Loom: 400
ECU: 375
Header: 400
Wiring etc for shifter: 150
Axles: 300

Those are the most expensive parts I can think of now. It makes for a total of 2125 dollars. And that excluding VAT, import taxes and shipping! And then not to mention the price of a JDM K20a!

I think if you take ITB's and tune them properly instead of agressive cams, the car would be pretty driveable on a daily basis, don't you?
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Only problem with that is the b18c wont make 220-250whp without running agressive cams. I think as the saying goes "there is no replacement for displacement" and the K20's extra 200cc along with its intelligent i-vtec system has the extra advantage from word go before we even talk about modifications. I think with more and more people going for the K20 swap and new companies coming to the surface provoiding there own brand products for the swap will reduce the overall cost of this swap significantly in time to come. The b18c running gear 5 years ago was also expensive. As jugbugz said lets not get in to a slaggin match about b18c been better then k20 and vice versa there both great engines in there own right:nice:
 
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Oh yeah I don't want to get into a discussion about which is better, but here in the Netherlands a JDM K20 just is not cost effective, as I've just tried to explain :) I think it also depends on where you get the swap. But here it'll cost you at least 8k euro's if you want a garage to do everything. If you want to do it yourself, it'll easily cost you 3000 more than a B18c (again, here in the Netherlands).

The day a JDM K20 swap is max 1000 more expensive then it would become a really good option. I'd kill for that 6th gear :D
 
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_JT said:
Oh yeah I don't want to get into a discussion about which is better, but here in the Netherlands a JDM K20 just is not cost effective, as I've just tried to explain :) I think it also depends on where you get the swap. But here it'll cost you at least 8k euro's if you want a garage to do everything. If you want to do it yourself, it'll easily cost you 3000 more than a B18c (again, here in the Netherlands).

The day a JDM K20 swap is max 1000 more expensive then it would become a really good option. I'd kill for that 6th gear :D
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Yes 8k sounds correct. Its 8500euro over here off a company called Ice Tronix, however it does include hondata kpro but AFAIK it only comes with base map not fully tuned.
 
Yeah and I'm still doubting about the price here since a JDM K20a alone will cost 4500 euro's over here. I've taken a look at swapping and it's so damn expensive. Doing it yourself with a EUDM K20a2 EP3 engine would be a lot more interesting, maybe the better alternative in a year or so, if prices are lower for parts.
 
_JT said:
Yeah and I'm still doubting about the price here since a JDM K20a alone will cost 4500 euro's over here. I've taken a look at swapping and it's so damn expensive. Doing it yourself with a EUDM K20a2 EP3 engine would be a lot more interesting, maybe the better alternative in a year or so, if prices are lower for parts.
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I should have mentioned that in the above post, its a UK spec k20 not JDM k20 that they supply and fit for 8.5k
 
Yeah, I believe thats also the case here in Holland for that money.
 
this video is just crap it has to be the k series out of the usdm ep si because that motor is like slower than a b16. i wouldnt want that k if they were giving them away
 
Vtec6000 said:
No garages in the UK doing these swaps? That's a good price really for a JDM k20 with low miles.
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None with the reputation of Icetronix for K20 swaps into EK's, they must have done almost hundreds by now :wow:

Maybe I'll have to man-up and do it myself :nerv:
 
Championship White said:
None with the reputation of Icetronix for K20 swaps into EK's, they must have done almost hundreds by now :wow:

Maybe I'll have to man-up and do it myself :nerv:
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yeah, there no harder than a B series swap just abit more time consuming. I have heard a few stories about Ice Tronix that would make me question there work. However they did produce a 300bhp version which was something to admire.
 
_JT said:
Where I live a JDM K20 is already 1500 euro's more expensive than a B18c.

Engine mounts: 600
Loom: 400
ECU: 375
Header: 400
Wiring etc for shifter: 150
Axles: 300

Those are the most expensive parts I can think of now. It makes for a total of 2125 dollars. And that excluding VAT, import taxes and shipping! And then not to mention the price of a JDM K20a!

I think if you take ITB's and tune them properly instead of agressive cams, the car would be pretty driveable on a daily basis, don't you?
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Theres a lot more parts than that. And cost is more, unless your quoting Euros.

-New Shifter box
-3" Cat back exhuast system
-K-pro + Tuning (necessity) up to 1500USD or more depending where you live.
-Intake
-Complete oil/fluids change
-Radiator + hoses(may use stock ones inc hoses if dont correctly)
-Retaining Air con is 1 heck of a costly troublesome mod
-Retaining Powersteering is also costly and troublesome.

-Engine Mounts choice is a very tricky decision to make.
Your choice of engine mounts will determind if you could keep A/C and P/S.
Also certain mounts require you to have your whole front end converted into EG/DC2 parts like;

-LCA, fork (may also need to use DC2/EG coilovers instead of EK9)
-Powersteering rack
-Subframe
-Sway bars
-etc etc

Some may not know but, EG/DC2 subframe, LCA etc etc aint as rigid as EK9. This also becomes more costly sourcing out the front end of accident free EG/DC2.

K-pro ecu and tuning is one of the most expensive parts. Fitting the new shifter box requires cutting, drilling and sealing. So a lot of the cost also comes to labor. But much cheaper if done in your own garage and self(my route).

Theres a lot more small bits n pieces but as you can see, lots of planning and decisions to make.

Expensive and troublesome are the key reasons ppl steer away from Kswap. I'd be SPEWING if I were to go through all that to just have a K20a2! Hell no!!! JDM K20a is the damn minimum!

Corral, I'm sure your taking notes :)
 
benzai said:
My thoughts exactly.

Its easy to say, throw this amount of money here and there but when it comes down it it, a highly tuned B18 will be a difficult car for daily use.

K20A FTW! :win:
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Not really difficult to drive... What I can say to that is depends on the choice of parts and tuning determines drivablility.

The only negative point I can think of is B18C loves to drink petrol like its at the Saturday pub every night. Increasing another 40hp will make it like a freaking Alcoholic!

Thats another good thing about K20a. Makes more power and torque than a b18/B20 but only drinks like a B16a or something more fuel efficient :wow:
 
Vtec6000 said:
yeah, there no harder than a B series swap just abit more time consuming. I have heard a few stories about Ice Tronix that would make me question there work. However they did produce a 300bhp version which was something to admire.
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No harder than B swaps? wtf! I wish dude. Then everyone would have a K instead of B.
 
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