Stripping ABS and Power steering


jugbugz

jugbugz

1998 EK9 CTR
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Hi guys,

What do you guys think of this idea on a street car that sees tracking 1-2 times a year?

Is it much difference?
 
Easy to live without ABS, but for me power steering is a must for a daily, my last car didnt have either and parking/turning in etc was a pain. If its only 2 trackdays a year not worth it Imo.
 
For a daily driver, I definitely wouldn't do it.

Power steering is just a "luxury" I am not willing to give up :D
The same with ABS. Your brake distance will always be shorter with ABS then without. You will be a lot safer, driving on public roads, if you keep your ABS.

But you can always give it a try. Just remove your power steering belt, and pull the ABS fuse. You could test this out for a week or so, and if you like it, then you can always still remove it.
 
defo wouldnt do it on daily driver

switch9 post about about removing abs fuse is very good idea to try for a week and make your own mind up from experience
 
I would keep the ABS but not the power steering. It adds weight and robs HP. Its really not difficult to drive without it and it gives you more "feel" through the steering wheel.
 
Weight is the main factor of this idea. ABS and Power steering is extra 20kgs in total. Aircon is another 20kgs, but NO WAY i'm giving up aircon over here... :D

Great idea guys, I'll give it a try, but yes ABS would be much safer on the road. And powersteering on Type Rs are always heavy, so should be much more difference would it?
 
No PS really isn't a big deal at all. EK's aren't that heavy, honda sold many with no PS at all. Benefits of removing PS= More road feel, less front end weight, cleaner engine bay, more HP-TQ, stronger arms.. Downsides= You have to turn the wheel harder while parking.

I think its an obvious move to make, even if you remove everything and for some reason don't like it, you can put it back.
 
Dino-Spumoni said:
No PS really isn't a big deal at all. EK's aren't that heavy, honda sold many with no PS at all. Benefits of removing PS= More road feel, less front end weight, cleaner engine bay, more HP-TQ, stronger arms.. Downsides= You have to turn the wheel harder while parking.

I think its an obvious move to make, even if you remove everything and for some reason don't like it, you can put it back.
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Yes I agree. I know Normal EKs are pretty light with the power steering compared to Type R, but this sounds like a good mod. :nice:
reduced parastic drag and less weight... :nice: I'll give it a try on next service or do it myself when have time.

Now that i think of it, Without ABS isn't a good idea LOL
 
Yeah, its not a dedicated race car so keeping the ABS is a good idea.
 
I don't know crap about ABS since I've never owned/driven a car with it but P/S I can easily live without. It's nice in the delivery truck at work when making many maneuvers in parking lots and loading docks on deliveries but dailying a Civic, you can easily live without it. I've had an EJ1 with and an EJ6 without it and I can say it doesn't make enough of a difference to care. I actually like not having it. As long as your tires are inflated properly (like 32psi or so) then steering with no P/S is not problem as long as the wheels are rolling. You shouldn't be turning the wheel at a dead stop anyhow. Not good for the tires.
 
jugbugz said:
Weight is the main factor of this idea. ABS and Power steering is extra 20kgs in total. Aircon is another 20kgs, but NO WAY i'm giving up aircon over here... :D

Great idea guys, I'll give it a try, but yes ABS would be much safer on the road. And powersteering on Type Rs are always heavy, so should be much more difference would it?
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Yes but the weight distribution will severly change! Is this a good idea for high speed handling? Is not an even weight reduction like when putting some lighter wheels. Remember EK9 is a high performance car and the slight mod makes it behave differently.
Also I'm not so sure if you really wanna have 200+ bhp without P/S, that sounds dangerous! :nerv:
 
ManosEK9 said:
Yes but the weight distribution will severly change! Is this a good idea for high speed handling? Is not an even weight reduction like when putting some lighter wheels. Remember EK9 is a high performance car and the slight mod makes it behave differently.
Also I'm not so sure if you really wanna have 200+ bhp without P/S, that sounds dangerous! :nerv:
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Manos, it's the Torque that you should worry about... not 200hp. 1.6L N/A puts out pissy torque compared to turbo charged cars. It called 'torque steer' which I occasionally get on the DC5 K20A.
 
Ok, NZ_EK9 has just pointed out a modification done to the Power Steering called 'looping'

Anyone have experience with this? Apparently it's got something to do with running the inlet and outlet lines into each other and somehow gives you the benefit of having PS without the parastic drag or something like that. I'm reading up on it a bit but don't fully understand yet.
 
ABS are safety precautions, which are necessarily, but for some people who's style of driving aren't include something interfering with your braking than ABS is something optional, of course we're talking bout someone with enough skill to replace the ABS system, and trust me its not something easy to do...easy to say though....(for instance, Tsuchiya races touge with a NSX WITHOUT ABS and self done ABS on his own when his NSX understeer...., but corrections are welcome, its a Hot Version vid, just the previous or previous previous issue, doesn't know whether its the NSX own ABS or is it the dori-dori's own footwork..)
For power-steering, for me.....i personally(on my driving experience), power-steering totally blocked me from feeling how's my whole front of the car(an FF car), i can nvr know the weigh stress on the front wheel and therefore, resulted in over-radius cornering/oversteering=sorta Drifted if you know what i mean.....and in case your wondering bout how hard to parking without PS? simple, get a pair of lighter rims and you'll feel the difference instantly...(happens to me hehe) and get your tire pressure to b inflated perfectly, some times ppl tends to deflate their tires a little bit when on track days or 'you-noe-what-session' in order to improve grip, but seriously if your not racing, leave your tire perfectly inflate, it helps alot on non-PS cars plus doesn't dig away much of your tire....so for me, i'll keep the ABS(as i hasn't gone to the PRO level yet) and strip the PS(cuz i hate them for reasons above..)....summore stripping the PS you'll be decreasing your chance of something broken...which is a good thing, one way or another...
 
Amaury_Reno said:
of course we're talking bout someone with enough skill to replace the ABS system, and trust me its not something easy to do...
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You are entirely correct man !

On some other forum I read a story about a guy that removed the ABS because he said that he doesn't need it. He was all tough and bragging, saying that ABS was for people who can't drive... :nono:
Jeezes man, wake up... When you read such stories you just know you are dealing with a complete fool.

Unless you have PLENTY of race experience, you can NEVER stop faster then with ABS. You have to have a very, very, very good feel of how hard you can push your brake pedal untill your wheels start to slip, and MAINTAIN (!!) that force until you slow down to your desired speed. ABS does this automatically for you, and calculates the best brake force more then 10 times a second !
 
I raced for 6 laps on a 2.5 km track last weekend, I had to removed power steering just before the race..

My arms still hurt lol, don't remove the power steering! :nerv:
 
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