Best Cams For Stroker Kit


Turbocharging would be more user friendly as an everyday car compared to a highly tuned N/A car.
 
Cheers for all the help guys.... So what would stroker kit - spoon head gasket give me compression wise ?? Would I be safe running say 11.6 or 11.8 ??? how would I achieve that CR ???

Also will it be safe to run around with my b16 ecu ??? Wont be using vtec, just wearing engine in for re-map..

Cheers - Andy
 
Haribo1187 said:
Cheers for all the help guys.... So what would stroker kit - spoon head gasket give me compression wise ?? Would I be safe running say 11.6 or 11.8 ??? how would I achieve that CR ???

Also will it be safe to run around with my b16 ecu ??? Wont be using vtec, just wearing engine in for re-map..

Cheers - Andy
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1) Don't think its a good idea to run with b16 ecu as said before. The ecu will be trying to learn something it can't. Just run correct ecu and drive softly. You'll need a reprogrammable ecu anyway, so buy that ASAP. Power FC and Hondata is highly recommended. Hondata is more convenient as you can upload pre-tuned maps from anyone worldwide, it'll give your tuner a good base to tune off. Power FC will give you real-time monitoring of your engine with the Commander.

2) I think you should get around 11.3CR. if you want more, then I suggest you get forged pistons(money man option) or use CTR pistons(poor mans option) which will give 12CR (according to blinx.) Milling the head is another option but will automatically retard the timings. Cams gears will counter this problem but if you mill too much then cam gear adjustments can be a limit and you'll loose power.

This is where blinx would say, JUST TURBO/supercharge IT!:nice:
 
Oh, forget about headwork as you won't improve much on a TypeR head especially B16B, wasting money. You'll only shift the power band up and loose mid range-bottom end if you COULD improve on it.

Same with Manifold, as you'll only shift the power up or down with longer/shorter runners. TB is more recommended. ITB is when your engine is suffocating and I don't know about driving with ITBs everyday... :p

If you want, spend money on valves to improve bottom end. :nice:
 
CTR pistons ARE NOT a poor man's choice!! Why then mechanics recommend leaving CTR pistons untouched when going for mods unless you are turbocharging or changing the car's displacement?? Nobody will recommend you to replace your brand new/good condition CTR pistons for the artermarket forged ones(Wiseco, CP, etc....) because that's a waist of money. OEM cams are more restrictive than OEM pistons.
Also concerning B16B headwork, again IT IS NOT a waist of money. Thinking like this then everything done on this low displacement engine goes to the garbage which is not true, there is no reason to replace your ECU, cams pistons etc....and not doing any headwork. Its a package! :drive:
 
dude to keep it safe and reliable. i woud keeps the stroker pistons. Get a 2 layer head gasket and call it good. For the S2S2 you would want the c/r @ around 11.0 ~11.5.
OR
you can mill the head .03 or .05 and use the OEM honda headgasket. This will also bump the compression just a tad.
If you bring your C/R to high you will risk detnation. Anyways just my 2 cents on this.
Best of Luck!
 
Cheers for the info guys... Yeah im defo goin Hondata, gonna use Defi gauges and warning sensors - lol my dash will be lit up like the star ship enterprise !!

Im also using the Spoon Head Gasket which I belive gives a little more compression - The kit is "supposed" to give me roughly 11.3 CR - personaly that is enough - Im not buliding this car for blistering performance, I have my CBR600 RR for that lol.

Cheers - Andy
 
Haribo1187 said:
...The kit is "supposed" to give me roughly 11.3 CR - personaly that is enough...
Cheers - Andy
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That is perfect for the stage II's. You'll be running 92 or 91 octane gas? either way this will be ideal, you'll be happy!
:drive:
 
Yeah im sure they will do the job m8 !! We have 99 octane fuel in my country bud - its called V-Power from Shell. Will 11.3 be enough to run these cams well ???
So what hp would I roughly see with Spoon stroker kit - TODA 4-2-1 - Dc Sports De-Cat - Spoon B Pipe - Spoon N1 - AEM CAI - Hondata Remap - Gas Flown Ported And Polished Head - Ported And Gas Flown Intake Manifold - Skunk2 68mm TB ????

Cheers - Andy
 
Wow. impressive list. With 99, that might be too hight and cause pre-dednation. So maybe stick around with what i mention above or as close to that as you can. 11.3 C/R is perfect to run those cams!
Your expected HP/TQ gains are hard to say. I know for sure you will be breaking 200's easily. But above all you need to get a good tuner. Tune your A/F ratio is vitally important from there minor adjustments on everything else from cam timing to ignitions timing will produce good numbers.
But remember a good tuner is KEY!
 
ManosEK9 said:
CTR pistons ARE NOT a poor man's choice!! Why then mechanics recommend leaving CTR pistons untouched when going for mods unless you are turbocharging or changing the car's displacement?? Nobody will recommend you to replace your brand new/good condition CTR pistons for the artermarket forged ones(Wiseco, CP, etc....) because that's a waist of money. OEM cams are more restrictive than OEM pistons.
Also concerning B16B headwork, again IT IS NOT a waist of money. Thinking like this then everything done on this low displacement engine goes to the garbage which is not true, there is no reason to replace your ECU, cams pistons etc....and not doing any headwork. Its a package! :drive:
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Manos. there are better pistons that you can use. Especially when they are forged, which would reduce pumping losses and increase power. OEM is good but you can get forged ones offering same specs. And also you only pay an extra $200-300 over the stock ones new.

ManosEK9 said:
OEM cams are more restrictive than OEM pistons.
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Pistons and cams have totally different objectives. PISTONS that gives higher CR allow cams to make use of their high durations and lift to produce more power. Changing one thing affects everything.

Honda already made the head to produce power from bottom to top, remember that it is based off a B18C type R and better than b16A, altering it will only improve top end and in return loose bottom end. You can't have both, as it affects flow, Volumetric Efficiency, velocity etc. Just ask a racing pro head guy and they'll tell you the head is pretty much racing specs with little to improve on.

Why I say it's a waste of money is because there is very little to improve on and even if you do get 5 more peak HP between 8000-9000rpm, see how much you've lost from 1000-7000rpm. :nice:
 
jugbugz said:
Manos. there are better pistons that you can use. Especially when they are forged, which would reduce pumping losses and increase power. OEM is good but you can get forged ones offering same specs. And also you only pay an extra $200-300 over the stock ones new.


Pistons and cams have totally different objectives. PISTONS that gives higher CR allow cams to make use of their high durations and lift to produce more power. Changing one thing affects everything.

Honda already made the head to produce power from bottom to top, remember that it is based off a B18C type R and better than b16A, altering it will only improve top end and in return loose bottom end. You can't have both, as it affects flow, Volumetric Efficiency, velocity etc. Just ask a racing pro head guy and they'll tell you the head is pretty much racing specs with little to improve on.

Why I say it's a waste of money is because there is very little to improve on and even if you do get 5 more peak HP between 8000-9000rpm, see how much you've lost from 1000-7000rpm. :nice:
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First of all, I did not say that OEM pistons are better than the aftermarket forged ones, no way! I just meant that when start thinking about mods, replacing your OEM pistons(if they are in good shape) with those forged ones shouldn't be your first thought cuz they are really good and there are SO MANY necessary mods to do before that......:D
For the head, I must say that I got noticable gains from bottom end to top and I'm not lying......:blabla:
 
if you have access to 99octane just go 12:1 :naughty: as long as your tuner feels safe tuning that high of a comrpession i see no problem. thats who you should really consult, your tuner, ask him how much compression you can safely run with the current gas that is available to you then decide on a cam from there.
 
ManosEK9 said:
First of all, I did not say that OEM pistons are better than the aftermarket forged ones, no way! I just meant that when start thinking about mods, replacing your OEM pistons(if they are in good shape) with those forged ones shouldn't be your first thought cuz they are really good and there are SO MANY necessary mods to do before that......:D
For the head, I must say that I got noticable gains from bottom end to top and I'm not lying......:blabla:
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Manos: thats why its a poor mans option to raise CR. This is what I was talking about.
 
im gonna have to agree with manos here... upgrading oem pistons with forged ones seems a bit needless, i would mill the head and get a thin head gasket instead if raising compression is your goal, those two alone should get you to ~11.8 on a b16b... also if your gonna change your pistons you better change your rods too, then that adds another 300-600 on top of the 400-550 pistons cost :nerv: A LOT of na cars in US run stock pct pistons, but there certainly are better choices which could be exploered but imo shouldent be until its time, things like FD,LSD,cams,I/H/E,tuning should be adressed first...

also the pumping losses reduced by a forged pistons is minor and probably woudent show up on a dyno... i think a good catchcan setup would be more affective :nice:
 
hi..i would like to get a high cams for b16a, what's the best choice...main for acc...and also can use for b18c5 later.....:naughty:
 
ej6er said:
hi..i would like to get a high cams for b16a, what's the best choice...main for acc...and also can use for b18c5 later.....:naughty:
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you need to do 2 things:

1-do some independent research
2-then post your OWN thread and in that thread post ALL your engine mods and expected hp goal.
 
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