Camber Arms Needed???

[jamie_mac99]

Now then

I'am planning on getting some spoon progressive springs and i was talking to a guy who is very reputable when it comes to suspension mods and he said that if i was to fit the spoon springs, i would need to run camber arms as the drop would give it too much camber. I thought that with it being just a small drop that the camber wouldn't be affected that much??

Thanks, help appreciated

 

[R11CH]

How big a drop is the Spoon springs? I would have said you would be fine with out them unless your into having the Geometry properly set up you wont need them and a little more negative camber wont hurt anyway

 

[blinx9900]

Just keep your toe to spec and you should be fine...

 

[Kozy]

He's chattin crap. I had Spoon springs and added camber arms to give me more negative camber because the drop wasn't enough to create any on it's own.

 

[Ashy C]

I havent noticed a drop at all with my spoon springs, fitted a brand new set over 2 weeks ago and still looks standard height............imo....... its perfect!

 

[elchunk]

what you've been told is crap. i run spoon springs and they only lower the car by about 20-30mm. If you where to go beyond 60mm then you may well need camber arms. When you put the spoon springs in just get your alignment done and you'll be good to go!

 

[jamie_mac99]

To quote what i was told:

'The Spoon springs do only give you a small drop but to get them set up correctly you should really use front and rear camber arms.'

&

'Do you have camber arms on the car as when you lower the car you will need to set this up when you run the car with out the arms they usually have too much camber.'

Thanks for the info guys

 

[elchunk]

for the drop that the spoon springs give, an alignment will be all you need. But if you where to lower the car alot more then yes camber and toe kits may be required.

 

[jamie_mac99]

I was aware of the alignment, but was unsure about the arms, which led me to ask my oiginal question.

 

[Kozy]

By definition, yes, you'll be out of factory alignment. Does it matter? Not a jot.

You can run up to -3° and still have fairly good tyre wear as long as you don't do all your driving on the motorway, just get the toe set correctly and it'll be fine.

 

[Nhp997]

I'll personally go for a set of hardrace fr/rear camber kit.
It's solid and performs well, depending on what your using your car for, ie.
Daily/Track, they also have spherical bearings.

Hope this helps.

 

[EK4 Luke]

It'll be the toe that would cause excessive wear problems sometimes after dropping the car so get an alignment also if you still have toe in you can get toe kit

 

[Matt-EK9]

Lowering the car will create some camber and spoon actually state that the drop that their springs provide will create a slight inclease in camber for a perfect fast road setting. As others have said not sure its enough of a drop really.

Just get the toe aligned and see how it feels, wouldnt worry about camber arms unless your actually seeking more camber.

 

[KieranEG6]

I align cars for a living and the amount that the spoon springs will change your camber will most likely be within tollerance of the standard settings anyway. What kozy has said is spot on. Slightly more camber will only be a good thing really. Cars can run up to -3 degrees without issues. Toe is the biggest factor on tyre wear and steering reactions. On the likes of the pre 2001 civic double wish bone setup you can get away with alot without upsetting the geo to much. Not like the newer EP's and DC5 setup's. They are best not touched really for road use.

Spoon progressives only lower the car by about 20mm front and 25mm rear. So would gues the camber to have moved into the -1.3 deg range at most, at a gues I think the standard is around the -40-50minutes mark (-0.8deg ish) with +/- 20min tolerance. Just as an example most BMW's run -1.5/2 deg out of the factory.

But to answer your question the adjustable arm's are certainly not needed.

Really the only call for camber arms on EK's, DC2's or EG's are if your running on track and like to get optimum settings, want to lower your car an excessive amount or just want them for the sake of it. Not really needed on a road car or even an occasional novice track car.