So I fitted the new genuine honda thermostat and the problem got worse! Temp way off the bottom of the scale when cruising with the heater on but red hot air out the vents. Then off the back of a thread jesse started about turbo water feeds I thought temp sender. Swapped it for a spare one I had and the gauge is now rising up to bang on half way and staying there at all times under all conditions. Happy days. I hadn't mentioned that there was another issue as well, the temp gauge would jump up about 2 lines on the gauge when the headlights went on, read about this on honda tech and the general consensus was that it is an inherent problem with the cluster however it is no longer doing this with the replacement sender in.