gearbox question??


madfortar

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hello lads im only new to the site and i must say its great!
ok i have a question for ye i do a bit of rallying here in ireland and im moving up to the 1600 class.im going to be running a b16b "standard" but i want to no would any of ye reccomend a short ratio g box,basically top speed isnt important to me its getting up to 110-120mph as fast as possible!i was thinking also of a gearkit aswell,i dont mind spending the money once its woth it.any suggestions for me thanks:nice:
 
The MFactory gear sets are great, check out the MFactory section on this site. A few Rally cars on here have them.
 
4.9 final drive and 1.000 5th gear might be a good combination for you
 
4.9 final drive and 1.000 5th gear might be a good combination for you

yes i was thinking of the 4.9 myself that would be sweet,and for the 5th gear that sounds good,do u no if any honda box has a 1.000 5th?or any suggestions?i have an s4c box "no lsd" got it for nothing off a buddy he had problems with 3rd gear and there was some bearing gone in the box r something,ive an s9b aswell off an uk 1.8vti it has a lsd but wont go into 2nd or 4th gear,its probably the synkros are gone in it got that for 20euro so cant complain
 
yes i was thinking of the 4.9 myself that would be sweet,and for the 5th gear that sounds good,do u no if any honda box has a 1.000 5th?or any suggestions?i have an s4c box "no lsd" got it for nothing off a buddy he had problems with 3rd gear and there was some bearing gone in the box r something,ive an s9b aswell off an uk 1.8vti it has a lsd but wont go into 2nd or 4th gear,its probably the synkros are gone in it got that for 20euro so cant complain

No don't know of any honda box with 5th 1.000 as standard. For rallying you would be best buying a decent diff i.e Kazz 1.5way or similar.
 
thanks but to be honest all im hearing is bad reports about m factory

We had a small manufacturing issue with our old batch of close gears, but we fixed that issue quite a while back. Unfortunately, "bad reports" spread like wildfire, much more so than "good reports", so we have not had a chance yet to get back into the Irish market because of that.

Now that we have released our new gear set specifically for you guys though, and is being tested by several Irish rally cars at the moment for performance, you will hear more "good reports" soon ;)
 
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I got an M factory gearkit in my car which might be for sale soon not overly impressed with it for rallying, speak to Hewland and buy a dogbox or send me a PM and i can put you in contact with someone who might know for one.
 
What is it you don't like if you don't mind me asking? We have several different ratios that you can choose from.....but if it's because it's still synchro engagement, and you prefer dog, then there isn't anything we can do (we do have a dog gear set, but it's 4spd strictly for drag racing)

As for the Hewland dogbox, yes, that is a very good investment. However, not everyone has 5 figures to spend on one :(
 
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Ive done 3 tarmac events on my m factory gearkit and very pleased with it so far.
If your interested i have a KAAZ 1.5 LSD and m factory 1.21 5th gear in the for sale section. Only changing the 5th because im on 14 inch rims.
 
No don't know of any honda box with 5th 1.000 as standard. For rallying you would be best buying a decent diff i.e Kazz 1.5way or similar.

ive been onto a few supplyiers and they say the kazz is far the better diff of them all at the moment but what they have noticed is that people with them are breaking drives,not everybody but some.and they strongly reccomend uprated driveshafts which cost an arm and a leg.so im kinda lost at the moment with what to do
 
ive been onto a few supplyiers and they say the kazz is far the better diff of them all at the moment but what they have noticed is that people with them are breaking drives,not everybody but some.and they strongly reccomend uprated driveshafts which cost an arm and a leg.so im kinda lost at the moment with what to do

I have also heard they are hard on driveshafts but make a huge difference to cornering speed so worth it I guess. Uprated driveshafts are not hugely expensive these days anyway. Are you in the junior class? entering the rally down in Kerry in 2 weeks time?
 
We had a small manufacturing issue with our old batch of close gears, but we fixed that issue quite a while back. Unfortunately, "bad reports" spread like wildfire, much more so than "good reports", so we have not had a chance yet to get back into the Irish market because of that.

Now that we have released our new gear set specifically for you guys though, and is being tested by several Irish rally cars at the moment for performance, you will hear more "good reports" soon ;)

yes but from what ive heard that "small manufacturing issue" with m factorys old batch of gears caused alot of misery and alot of short days rallying and more to the point good hard earned cash gone down the drain,there are alot of rallycars in ireland with m factory gears in them at the moment and those cars have to get sorted and all that costs money,

ive been told by supplyiers and old customers of m factory that m factory covered the first couple of gears ect breaking and replaced them with new gears ect which is fair enough ya no but then when the problem got a bit more common m factory stopped replacing the stuff and basically gave 2 fingers to the suppliers and irish customers.

its fine for you just to sit back and say oh we had a small manufacturing issue with m factorys old batch of gears and say oh we have that issue sorted now,but the reality of it is quite clear,its cost alot of money,misery,long evenings in the shed,and these people gave m factory there trust and hard earned cash and trust thats what annoys me!.

its not as simle as just replacing the old batch with the new batch all that is time and money,and what annoys me aswell is m factory is supposed to be in the buissness for a long time and well established yes?and then something like this happens?it doesnt say much for the buissness does it?for me personally i wouldnt deal with m factory.
 
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I got an M factory gearkit in my car which might be for sale soon not overly impressed with it for rallying, speak to Hewland and buy a dogbox or send me a PM and i can put you in contact with someone who might know for one.

wow wow dogbox/hewland thanks but they cost alot of money which i dont have.i just wanna put together somthing simple but reliable,i dont mind spending a bit but within reason ya no.but thanks anyway
 
I have also heard they are hard on driveshafts but make a huge difference to cornering speed so worth it I guess. Uprated driveshafts are not hugely expensive these days anyway. Are you in the junior class? entering the rally down in Kerry in 2 weeks time?

ya true,i got quoted like 800euros for a pair of uprated driveshafts which is crazy crazy,i sure am,looking forward to it,im in the seniors,in with the big boys now:nerv:
 
ya true,i got quoted like 800euros for a pair of uprated driveshafts which is crazy crazy,i sure am,looking forward to it,im in the seniors,in with the big boys now:nerv:

Should be able to get them a good bit cheaper from the states. I mapped a rally car for a guy called Damien Boyle who runs in the junior class driving a eg6 sir a few weeks ago hes running a Kazz diff with standard driveshafts he done the tynagh/Birr rally without any issues and pretty sure hes running in the Kerry rally coming up so will see how the driveshafts hold up
 
Should be able to get them a good bit cheaper from the states. I mapped a rally car for a guy called Damien Boyle who runs in the junior class driving a eg6 sir a few weeks ago hes running a Kazz diff with standard driveshafts he done the tynagh/Birr rally without any issues and pretty sure hes running in the Kerry rally coming up so will see how the driveshafts hold up

ah rite thanks for that,ive come up with an idea how does this sound to you,an s80 box the 1 with the 4.7 fd it has the short 1st 2nd 3rd and factory lsd but it has th long 4th/5th..i was thinking if i got my hands on 4th/5th out of a s4c/y21 box because the are shorter ratio than the s80 and install that if thats possible that is.i can pick up a box fairly handy ya see.and it wouldnt cost me an arm and a leg.
 
ah rite thanks for that,ive come up with an idea how does this sound to you,an s80 box the 1 with the 4.7 fd it has the short 1st 2nd 3rd and factory lsd but it has th long 4th/5th..i was thinking if i got my hands on 4th/5th out of a s4c/y21 box because the are shorter ratio than the s80 and install that if thats possible that is.i can pick up a box fairly handy ya see.and it wouldnt cost me an arm and a leg.

That's the exact gearbox setup I have in a road civic. TBH it's makes a nice difference but 5th is still a little too tall for a rally car IMO. A 1.000 5th and 4.7FD would be better or even better again a 4.9FD. Your probably only going to be hitting around 120mph on most stages anyway correct? What's your engine spec? Power output?
 
yes but from what ive heard that "small manufacturing issue" with m factorys old batch of gears caused alot of misery and alot of short days rallying and more to the point good hard earned cash gone down the drain,there are alot of rallycars in ireland with m factory gears in them at the moment and those cars have to get sorted and all that costs money,

ive been told by supplyiers and old customers of m factory that m factory covered the first couple of gears ect breaking and replaced them with new gears ect which is fair enough ya no but then when the problem got a bit more common m factory stopped replacing the stuff and basically gave 2 fingers to the suppliers and irish customers.

its fine for you just to sit back and say oh we had a small manufacturing issue with m factorys old batch of gears and say oh we have that issue sorted now,but the reality of it is quite clear,its cost alot of money,misery,long evenings in the shed,and these people gave m factory there trust and hard earned cash and trust thats what annoys me!.

its not as simle as just replacing the old batch with the new batch all that is time and money,and what annoys me aswell is m factory is supposed to be in the buissness for a long time and well established yes?and then something like this happens?it doesnt say much for the buissness does it?for me personally i wouldnt deal with m factory.

Exactly, that is what you heard, not what you have personally experienced.

Actually, we replaced every single close gear under warranty that had this manufacturing issue. We didn't give 2 fingers to anyone, and anyone that has contacted us directly (i.e Not through DMRR) that had this issue with the close gears knows this. Those in the past who were given the 2 fingers by DMRR (i.e not us) but then contacted us directly have had their issues resolved. However, this side of the story never gets told, it's always the negative side that gets passed down the grapevine.

We have NEVER ignored a customer who has contacted us directly about an issue, regardless of what the issue is. If the issue is our fault, then we stand by our product and do what it necessary. If it is not clear what the issue is, then we will start asking questions to diagnose the problem; this is where the customer then starts getting angry and personal i.e they don't like to be "at fault" and just want a free replacement

There have been times where we have refused to warranty a part, yes, but these cases are entirely different from this "manufacturing defect", but of course, a customer will never be happy if they don't get their way, so the "bad reports" end up spreading like wildfire.

If one thing bad happens, everything that happens is lumped together as the "same issue". Then it gets told to a friend, which gets told to another friend, then told to another friend. And before you know it, we have statements like yours posted up on internet forums ;)

You are correct, we have been in business for a good few years now and are well established. We didn't get this way by being the same company that you "claim" we are, and we most certainly would not have been chosen by Honda of America to partner with.

At the end of the day, you can either listen to the "good reports" from extremely happy customers which tend to be unskewed and unbiased (there are plenty of these on EK9.org and ITR-DC2.com), or you can listen to these "bad reports" which are mostly just chinese whispers and do not tell the full story ;)
 
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I find the ratios are ok would like a slightly longer first gear but the main gripe i got with it is that it feels very fragile. As a fast road box it would be excellent but i dont feel it is up to the job for rallying. As for up rated drive shafts they really dont cost alot if you do your homework. I used genuine honda inner Cv joints the standard shaft (i dont think people have a problem with the actual shaft just the outer cv yeah?) PM me if you want some more info on the outer CV's.
 
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