Insame or really good!


There are so mnay car's making loads of power with standard cranks like kozy said, i can't see the need on a street car or even a track car.... Full on race car yeah maybe but surely you want longlivety with a race car also..
Understand the idea of the crank cutting through the oil better less drag and all that.. more info would be cool

A knife edged crank would'nt make any more power than a standard crank. It will just rev up quicker and be more responsive when you slam your foot down. The exact opposite will happen when you close the throttle. It may feel like the engine has more power, but really it hasnt.
 
Ah, so like a 4.4 final drive and a light weight flywheel will give the feeling of faster acceleration but will not make any more power...

So would i be correct in saying its mainly for race applications where split second throttle repsonce is key..
Cool stuff thanks for that rich..
 
Yeah, i'm not sure about the final drive though.

You could say that but its really down to the person if you know what i'm saying. Some people might want that sort of response in a street car.
 
I just meant final drive will give feeling of more power .. but not actually gain anything..

like you said about the crank..
TBH i'd love mental throttle responce :) not that my driving will suit but hey.
 
Just outta interest, does anyone know roughly the life span of a "knife edged" crank?
 
Lol fair answer. Was just wondering as I'm semi considering it (for my daily when I get a new motor built)
 
What about if you add lighter pistons and rods though? :blinx:

I agree with keeping the crank stock though. Unless you are chasing tenths of a second building a race motor with a limited life expectancy before rebuild then go ahead, if you expect it to last 50,000 miles on the road it is best left being balanced at the most.

From what i understand its a balancing act between the counter weights and the pistons & rods what helps keep some harmonics safe. So if the right amount was taken off then i guess it should be fine. Its something that i'm just touching up on at the moment so if someone can explain further then please do. Its quite a in depth topic and a lot of it is just going over my head lol.

Wow...this makes for a very interesting read :nice: I like the sounds of the response etc but I don't want to risk the longevity of my motor

There are so mnay car's making loads of power with standard cranks like kozy said, i can't see the need on a street car or even a track car.... Full on race car yeah maybe but surely you want longlivety with a race car also..
Understand the idea of the crank cutting through the oil better less drag and all that.. more info would be cool

cool topic but alot is going over my head too! more info please!! :)

A knife edged crank would'nt make any more power than a standard crank. It will just rev up quicker and be more responsive when you slam your foot down. The exact opposite will happen when you close the throttle. It may feel like the engine has more power, but really it hasnt.

Ah, so like a 4.4 final drive and a light weight flywheel will give the feeling of faster acceleration but will not make any more power...

So would i be correct in saying its mainly for race applications where split second throttle repsonce is key..
Cool stuff thanks for that rich..

Yeah, i'm not sure about the final drive though.

You could say that but its really down to the person if you know what i'm saying. Some people might want that sort of response in a street car.

I just meant final drive will give feeling of more power .. but not actually gain anything..

like you said about the crank..
TBH i'd love mental throttle responce :) not that my driving will suit but hey.

Just outta interest, does anyone know roughly the life span of a "knife edged" crank?

Lol fair answer. Was just wondering as I'm semi considering it (for my daily when I get a new motor built)

:shocked: but :nice::nice:

I feel that we all have good knowlegde of what is the out come from all of the pondering! There is alot of good answers and mislead info which leads to confusion for the brain!

A knife-edged crank has few designs for different purposes like for instants first is cutting through the oil for less oil spashing which leads to less drag on the bottom end. Also with less weight on the crank which is common sense the abililty to spin quicker than a stock crank would which leads to higher rpms with no bolt-on needed.

An with all actuality if done right with professional tuning to the ecu the lighter crank will be more durable cause of less stress on the moving parts on your bottom end everyone knows that less weight less problems in a sense of lighter moving parts more power gain, but like stated above if the rods and pistons get to big longevity of the build is less.

To use a lightened crank (knifedged) you really have to do some good reseaching on rods and pistons if you are to use it! In all reality when you knife-edge you are to machine with the crank dampner and flywheel that your going to use in your build other wise your build will be a pour one basically a waste of time just a little fun for a while until your engine blows!!

Initially just by knife-edging you will get more power cause of two things less windage (oil splashing) and less rotating mass which free up loss power so you will make more power you just have to do it right meaning all components have to be blue-printed (almost perfect to none).

Someone mension something about final drive gear 4.4 and 4.9 swapping and a lightened flywheel, it will actually give more power in attributes to torque which contributes to power gains in a build. Some said that it only feel like there builds pull harder cause of the contributions only cause it really does give more power just not in horsepower and it doesn't just rev and acceleration quicker but there is good gains from it!

If you research most of what i'm saying is true!
 
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:shocked: but :nice::nice:

I feel that we all have good knowlegde of what is the out come from all of the pondering! There is alot of good answers and mislead info which leads to confusion for the brain!

A knife-edged crank has few designs for different purposes like for instants first is cutting through the oil for less oil spashing which leads to less drag on the bottom end. Also with less weight on the crank which is common sense the abililty to spin quicker than a stock crank would which leads to higher rpms with no bolt-on needed.

An with all actuality if done right with professional tuning to the ecu the lighter crank will be more durable cause of less stress on the moving parts on your bottom end everyone knows that less weight less problems in a sense of lighter moving parts more power gain, but like stated above if the rods and pistons get to big longevity of the build is less.

To use a lightened crank (knifedged) you really have to do some good reseaching on rods and pistons if you are to use it! In all reality when you knife-edge you are to machine with the crank dampner and flywheel that your going to use in your build other wise your build will be a pour one basically a waste of time just a little fun for a while until your engine blows!!

Initially just by knife-edging you will get more power cause of two things less windage (oil splashing) and less rotating mass which free up loss power so you will make more power you just have to do it right meaning all components have to be blue-printed (almost perfect to none).

Someone mension something about final drive gear 4.4 and 4.9 swapping and a lightened flywheel, it will actually give more power in attributes to torque which contributes to power gains in a build. Some said that it only feel like there builds pull harder cause of the contributions only cause it really does give more power just not in horsepower and it doesn't just rev and acceleration quicker but there is good gains from it!

If you research most of what i'm saying is true!

hummmmm...no research needed, not all true. do better research instead of posting bad information.
 
The counter weights play a huge part in the life of the engine. The weights which are being lightened and knife edged, help counteract the impact of the piston/rod pushish downward. That "bang" from ignition puts harmonics into the crank which the weights help absorb. Safe harmonics are with the OEM, unknown harmonics with lightened, forget about knife edging for a moment...if this is to be used on the street, no bad there, just do not expect to ever get better harmonics over Honda to make it reliable over time/miles...the weight is just not there to prolong life.
 
Topher, cymbals, do you find longer life with thin cymbals or thicker cymbals, which holds up better under hard thrashing, thin/light cymbals or heavy thick cymbals...harmonics.
 
The counter weights play a huge part in the life of the engine. The weights which are being lightened and knife edged, help counteract the impact of the piston/rod pushish downward. That "bang" from ignition puts harmonics into the crank which the weights help absorb. Safe harmonics are with the OEM, unknown harmonics with lightened, forget about knife edging for a moment...if this is to be used on the street, no bad there, just do not expect to ever get better harmonics over Honda to make it reliable over time/miles...the weight is just not there to prolong life.

The whole point was about knife-edge not harmonic noises! Where taking about performane not driving a deisel 18 wheeler 1 million miles! The weights your taking about are being lighten not eased there is a big differance in a post with your reply!
 
The whole point was about knife-edge not harmonic noises! Where taking about performane not driving a deisel 18 wheeler 1 million miles! The weights your taking about are being lighten not eased there is a big differance in a post with your reply!

totally understand, just the flow of the thread touched on shortened life span...but yes, the lighter crank and knife edge is the topic on spot, which have MUCH to do with lifespan of an engine. lol
 
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