turbocharging the b16b, my turbo b16b build/log opinions welcome.


blinx9900 said:
vtec function still works, comes on a little earlier now, about 4800rpm. :drive:

i appreaciate the advise though i disagree with some of it, also if you read the entire thread (which i dont exepect anybody to do) you'll see i melted the b16b pistons and went with flat top pr4 pistons :) so i do agree that b16b pistons are bad for boost. and topfuel japan is nothing compared to other tuners in the world as 500hp is easy to attain, the shop i work at had customers making 700whp back in 1998 with a stock type R cylinder head and a built shortblock. and stephanie eguum makes 1200whp+ in a civic. :nerv:

i love top fuel dont misunderstand, its just that they dont make any of there products, they use all hks and apexi parts.

the shortblock is what is going to see 90% of the abuse of the turbo so i dont think you really need to upgrade the valvetrain unless you plan on revving higher or putting larger cams. ive seen 400whp on a stock b18c1 valvetrain. :nice:
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ahh, so your's is a TurboVTEC.....lov it, anyway......well i know horsepower are easy to make but that Civic(by topfuel) currently holds the record of the fastest Civic in japan's tsukuba's record, so that makes 500 bhp with a well combine of chasis work, respect to that, but that car also clocked 11sec in a 0-400 run, pretty impressive for a track car(yup, no other drag tuning include)oh and by the way, that was 2001.....

well, all in all i do recommend changing the valves(all of them and every part of them) as your sporting a VTECTurbo, the valves will get exhausted pretty quick if u revv high all the time, all my advices in previous post leads to one thing only, the longevity of the engine. Oh, and sorry bout the piston stuff,
its a 7 page topic u can't expect me to remember every single detail sorry k?
 
Amaury_Reno said:
ahh, so your's is a TurboVTEC.....lov it, anyway......well i know horsepower are easy to make but that Civic(by topfuel) currently holds the record of the fastest Civic in japan's tsukuba's record, so that makes 500 bhp with a well combine of chasis work, respect to that, but that car also clocked 11sec in a 0-400 run, pretty impressive for a track car(yup, no other drag tuning include)oh and by the way, that was 2001.....
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i know, thats why i love the car, to see it go around tsukuba is an amazing feeling :clap:

Amaury_Reno said:
well, all in all i do recommend changing the valves(all of them and every part of them) as your sporting a VTECTurbo, the valves will get exhausted pretty quick if u revv high all the time, all my advices in previous post leads to one thing only, the longevity of the engine.
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i understand and agree, but right now im actually keeping it under 8000rpm as my shortblock is the weakest link right now, if i do build another with forged pistons/rods then i'll definately upgrade the valves as you recomended.:nice:

Amaury_Reno said:
Oh, and sorry bout the piston stuff,
its a 7 page topic u can't expect me to remember every single detail sorry k?
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i dont expect anybody to read the whole thread, its too damn long :lol:
 
rvm said:
nice info xyzalvarez, I think you're from guatemala also or something like that, welcome!
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yeah... thats why the RVM name make me Suspicious of velmax..haha

blinx9900 said:
i dont know if he's from there, but he lives down the street from me :clap:
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yeah you're right! isnt a small world of what?? haha

hey blinx, what clutch are you planning to use now? we know act sucks..at least the six puck for a daily...the clutchmasters, centerforce? i would like a tilton or soemthing but mine its a daily beater on the 101 fwy...

hey btw can i use the used HD act pressure plate and get me the clutch for another company? the PP has less then 6 months on it...
 
update

so my car was smoking a lot on deceleration, i thought it might be the vavle guide seals so i pulled off the head and saw that the pistons had made contact with the valve on the intake side (which would damage the valve guide seal), here is a pic:

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all four pistons looked like that, i then dropped the head off at the machine shop for a 3 angle valve job and new valveguide seals, i ended up needing a few new valves as well as four were bent. i then grinded deaper valve reliefs into the pistons to allow adequate clearance, here is a pic:

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i have reassembled the motor and its running VERY strong now, the increased airflow from the new guide seals and 3 angle valve job has the car running lean so i need to give it a little more fuel, but DAMN is it fast now, keep in mind i made 317whp with 4 bent valves, i wonder what its making now, i lost traction in 2ng gear!!
 
any chance of making a clip of your run and putting it on youtube?
would love to see your time and effort have some appreciaton!
 
i dont like putting videos on youtube, im paranoid someone will try to steal my car :nerv:
 
Maybe you could put it up there for a day and let us know on the forum and then remove it after that day
 
my car is still smoking, so it has to be the turbo. thats ok though cause i just picked up a Garrett GT3076R turbo, but now i need a new manifold and downpipe, good thing i got that too, but damn the new manifold needs a bigger wastegate, i got that too, i basically got a new turbo kit. next on the list is a new exhaust built around an apexi worldsport 80mm.

oh yeah, and i beat my friends evo and he has a GT35r on 25psi!!

STAY TUNED, PICS OF THE NEW SETUP COMMING SOON!!
 
wow nice you think if i add a small turbo to my stock set up and stay under 9 psi ill be fine??? who tunned your car i need a good tuner and i need an even better shop for some work...
 
blinx9900 said:
i started a new thread for the new turbo kit, here is the link:

http://www.ek9.org/forum/forced-induction/2384-my-new-turbo-setup-pics-inside.html#post24186
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Stunning build up mate. Quick question.
From what I can gather, the b16b can be turbo'd safely on stock internals, only as long as the tune is spot on?

Would you recommend anything else, engine wise for a low psi b16b on stock internals for instance thicker head gasket, and head studs or will this not be necessary, for low psi applications?
I would me more than happy with say 280bhp for my d/d.

Cheers
 
My B16B was built by Top Fuel in Japan and they used a Trust T51 all stock internals but a thick head gasket...this is over 5 yrs now and i have had no problems at all... and i run 10.psi daily
 
Shift said:
My B16B was built by Top Fuel in Japan and they used a Trust T51 all stock internals but a thick head gasket...this is over 5 yrs now and i have had no problems at all... and i run 10.psi daily
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Thick head gasket makes a big difference, if i had that i would have not blown up my first motor, it was also running on a far too aggressive tune :(
 
Shift said:
My B16B was built by Top Fuel in Japan and they used a Trust T51 all stock internals but a thick head gasket...this is over 5 yrs now and i have had no problems at all... and i run 10.psi daily
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Impressive:).What power and torque does your car produce with that setup? Also do you run 10psi constantly, or is do you have the option to run lower boost levels?
Silly question, but does the car get driven hard at times?

blinx9900 said:
Thick head gasket makes a big difference, if i had that i would have not blown up my first motor, it was also running on a far too aggressive tune :(
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What head gasket would you suggest?

Cheers chaps
 
Raiden said:
Impressive:).What power and torque does your car produce with that setup? Also do you run 10psi constantly, or is do you have the option to run lower boost levels?
Silly question, but does the car get driven hard at times?



What head gasket would you suggest?

Cheers chaps
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Cometic makes a great head gasket for a reasonable price, as far as the other guys top fuel kit, realize his turbo at 10psi is not the same as my turbo at 10psi. Turbo size makes a huge difference.
 
I understand, I think. So the bigger the turbo, less boost is needed to make more power. The smaller the turbo, more boost is needed?

Blinx - Ive been speaking to a turbo tuner who is very confident that he can tune the stock b16b to produce roughly 280bhp.
He uses his own custom turbo kit which includes a mitsubishi evo 9 turbo, which I believe is a td05?
I have looked into turbo hondas that he has previously built and tuned, and to be fare they seem to make good power reliably.
One was a DC2R which made 297bhp on stock internals, and is still going strong after over a year.
I suggested the head gasket mod to lower compression but he cliamed it was not needed for a b16b, would do so if I wished.
I would appreciate your input on this matey. Do I trust this tuners judgement?
 
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