yea that guy wants WAY too much 23K for stock one, built that's another matter. I was hoping around the 15-16K mark myself I've wanted this car forever even when my friends were all on the ITR bandwagon. I don't care how it takes me I'm single and my monthly bills are 100$ a month. I'm not settling for any other car but this one. btw how many real ctrs are there in the usa? i can count 6 that i know of. thanks for the info