Where all the toda v2 manifolds at??? Been looking for a wile now!


Tegiwa Imports said:
Fortunately UK and European companies are covered to a degree. But yeah, I fully expect it to happen.
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So you'd be covered if for example someone was to make a 'Tegiwa style' exhaust manifold ?

fljoshua129 said:
Unnecessary. I for one feel privileged when others copy me, means I am doing something right.
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Unnecessary ? I'm not sure what you mean. Copying what someone does may show you're impressed by what they do, but at what point do you cross the line and get into copyright areas ?
 
dhdavectr said:
So you'd be covered if for example someone was to make a 'Tegiwa style' exhaust manifold ?



Unnecessary ? I'm not sure what you mean. Copying what someone does may show you're impressed by what they do, but at what point do you cross the line and get into copyright areas ?
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As soon as you start to sell the parts as "genuine" not reps, or use patent protected technologies without rights. It's a lot more complicated than this, but if it was in breach of copyright laws something would have been done by now. Think of all the replica companies, Tegiwa, Rota, PPW, etc… Even in Japan they have replica companies.
 
KieranEG6 said:
Hahaha. Loving this topic.

Own a V1 spring slip jointed one myself (considering tig'ing it together as I suspect it blows a little while cold driving). Bought it second hand from a seller on here for £600. Don't regret any penny of it. Would rather take it off, polish it up and hang it on my wall than sell it. Out of the Supersprint 421, mugen 4-1 and 98 spec 4-1 I have had, the Toda out performed them all. Throughout the rev range.

Would I spend £1300 on a new one ........ probably not. There are just too many things I could buy with that amount of money, that would make so much more difference to the pace of my car.

If you can wait for one to come up for sale then I would do so. As I would still pay £600 for a second hand Toda over £400 for a new Tegiwa rep. If you want a decent manifold that will be your moneys worth buy the Tegiwa rep, it has proven itself to be one of the top off the shelf manifolds around and spend your leftover cash on a decent carbon airbox to work with it.
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The slip jointed Todas are the 'race' version, I had a DC2 one I just sold. they came as a full system, manifold and exhaust, usually a single box repackable silencer and straight through b-pipe. They are inconel not stainless (is it very dark and oxidised pipework?) and cost about 50% more than the regular toda stuff, if you can get one.

Would have love to have kept mine but it was too loud on a daily driver and frankly I needed a new fridge more than an exhaust ornament!
 
Puggie said:
The slip jointed Todas are the 'race' version, I had a DC2 one I just sold. they came as a full system, manifold and exhaust, usually a single box repackable silencer and straight through b-pipe. They are inconel not stainless (is it very dark and oxidised pipework?) and cost about 50% more than the regular toda stuff, if you can get one.

Would have love to have kept mine but it was too loud on a daily driver and frankly I needed a new fridge more than an exhaust ornament!
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it would have been grate if u had txt me bk like u said u would,i wanted ur exhaust and only found out u sold it bk going on the itr forum,
 
fljoshua129 said:
As soon as you start to sell the parts as "genuine" not reps, or use patent protected technologies without rights. It's a lot more complicated than this, but if it was in breach of copyright laws something would have been done by now. Think of all the replica companies, Tegiwa, Rota, PPW, etc… Even in Japan they have replica companies.
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are you saying you can sell something that looks/acts like the genuine part aslong as you say its a replica and all will be fine? this business with copyright has had me confused for a while
 
civicx3 said:
are you saying you can sell something that looks/acts like the genuine part aslong as you say its a replica and all will be fine? this business with copyright has had me confused for a while
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Well look at pattern parts, OEM copies that are a third of the price. They have been around for years and I don't really know of any copyright/patent issues. Rota, even though they don't label their wheels as reps, they clearly are. But there doesn't seem to be any problems with the original manufactures. Maybe they have an agreement or something, I really don't know. But there are cases such as, Takata, Function 7, Nardi etc, where fakes are being sold as "genuine items" and they are being clamped down on.

Anyway, saw a few second hand toda manifolds on yahooJP, might save you some cash.
 
Jimbo said:
Very well said, I couldn't agree any more!

Tegiwa manifolds are mass produced Chinese stuff! They can offer the manifolds at a lower cost due to simple fact it's just a rough copy of an established and proven design, No real R&D would have been done! So to say Toda are overpriced is rubbish, we have no idea what it costs to produce there manifold for a start.

I'm not saying they are crap, there are worse manifolds out there, equally, there are much better ones out there!

You get what you pay for!!
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I ordered my Toda B16B v2 headers from Japan which were made to order. They have to wait until they receive about 5 orders to process the order. Its a real piece of art to unveil a brand spanking new Toda header. All the people who notices real quality, comment on how amazingly clean and superb workmanship on the header especially the welding. Its 2nd to none.

Its too bad I had mine ceramic coated after 1-2 years. But still looks amazing

Toda quality is as close to Honda OEM as you can get, especially the camshafts and internal engine parts. You certainly get what you pay for!


big_joe said:
Fair enough some people get a kick out of having the very best parts available but £1300 for a manifold jeeeez. How anyone can justify the extra money for what lets face it is bugger all real world difference I have no Idea. A decent manifold on a turbo motor might be the difference of 20bhp, but an NA Honda......2-3 hp if you're lucky?? Insanity to me but I guess we're all cut from different cloths and if you have the money then why not.
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Its just unlucky that you guys in the UK get hit with massive import taxes on parts. I bought mine for 1200US delivered from japan years ago.

The fastest NA Honda drag car in the world is in the US where it has a K series at 2.75L-2.8L making 420whp and ran a 8.9 sec 1/4 mile. You could question them and ask why spend all that money on an NA engine when you could build a turbo K series and run 7 secs for maybe less or same price?

NA is the real joy of Honda engines. But I wouldn't mind some turbo vtec!!!:drive:
 
qwerty1519 said:
it would have been grate if u had txt me bk like u said u would,i wanted ur exhaust and only found out u sold it bk going on the itr forum,
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Yeah but you was grumbling about the price and how no one has that kinda money to drop on a total system this time of year... I said it was going up on the ITR forum before accepting your offer and someone stumped up full asking after a couple of days. I did mean to contact you and let you know it had sold, I've just been a bit busy.

If you had REALLY wanted it then you would have paid the asking price when it was offered to you before going on the forum, you had a better chance of buying it than anyone else :)
 
Exhaust £612
Post £110
Duty (exhaust parts outside EU) 4.5% £26
Handling charges £18-50 (depend of agent) £18
Total £766
VAT £154
To your door £920

Your not getting much change out of £1k, especially is you go for faster shipping or the agent charges more for handling (not sure if that is insured either). then you have the grief if they get damaged.
 
fljoshua129 said:
Well look at pattern parts, OEM copies that are a third of the price. They have been around for years and I don't really know of any copyright/patent issues. Rota, even though they don't label their wheels as reps, they clearly are. But there doesn't seem to be any problems with the original manufactures. Maybe they have an agreement or something, I really don't know. But there are cases such as, Takata, Function 7, Nardi etc, where fakes are being sold as "genuine items" and they are being clamped down on.
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exactly what i was thinking, skunk2 reps have been around for as long as i can remember
 
Which one would you order if you were buying to suit a b16a engine??? B16b i presume??
 
Own a toda v2 myself, made the mistake of selling it and ended up buying it back a few weeks after!

As said already extracting every little hp counts on these engines ( which they are proven to do time and time again ) Even if I sell the car it will be staying in my ownership and hung on the wall.
 
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