Why Bridgestones rock on Honda's...


Kozy

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I have been doing some reading into the subject of tyres, as I was interested in why the Bridgestones are better on Honda's than the likes of Toyos, Goodyears etc.

Soft sidewalled tyres such as the Toyo T1R, Goodyear Eagle F1 etc, allow the tyre to distribute load across the entire contact patch evenly, even at unfavourable camber angles, at the expense of transient response. This makes them ideal for use on cars equipped with McPhearson strut systems, which have crap camber compensation under compression by virtue of design. This means the wheel gains no negative camber as the outside suspension compresses in a turn, and as the car rolls outward the tyre is pushed into positive camber. Running positive camber, the outside of the tyre becomes more loaded than the inside, resulting in a net loss in grip, much the same as having one heavily loaded and one lightly loaded tyre on a given axle will produce less net grip than two equally loaded tyres. A soft sidewall tyre allows the load to be evenly distributed over the contact patch despite this positive camber, meaning better lateral grip than a hardwall tyre, which will suffer as detailed above.

Honda's however, have superior double wishbone suspension, which does have camber compensation under compression, and so the above situation is not an issue as the wheel gains negative camber in a turn to negate the positive camber gained by the outward roll. As such, the benefit of softwalled tyres even load distribution is not realised, and only the reduced transient response is noticeable. This is where the Bridgestones shine, having the hard sidewalls they can provide the same lateral grip as a softwall tyred, McPhearson equipped car thanks to the maintained camber angle, but the transient response is far improved.

So there you have it, Bridgestones rock on Hondas, and I shall be forking out the premium for some RE01Rs when my next change is due...
 
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Thanks for the info Kozy! I learned a lot today!

I love my RE11s!!
 
RE-11 or RE-11S?

The RE-11 is the successor to the RE-01R is it not? Have you tried both to compare?
 
Got to love re11's

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RE-11 or RE-11S?

The RE-11 is the successor to the RE-01R is it not? Have you tried both to compare?

RE-11

Yes I've tried the RE01-R and teh RE11 and the RE-11 is the best tire I've ever tried, (well I need to try the direzza star spec hehehe) but compared to the RE01-R it is a night to day difference, the RE01-R starts to loose grip after 6 laps, the RE-11 doesn't have this issues, I hope to try it on a 20 + lap race :D
 
I have always been a big fan of stiff sidewall tires on Honda's, i have used Potenza RE540s and now i have Nitto NT01 both R compund and very stiff sidewall :nice:
 
I have no idea, never looked at the shipping charges. If they do, it's a bummer as they are the only place I found we can get them in the UK.
 
i've emailed a couple of us tyre companys, will let you know what they say.
 
arent Nengun in Japan?? Hence the exspensive shipping??
but saying this im going to save up for either a set of RE11 or RE01R :D
 
arent Nengun in Japan?? Hence the exspensive shipping??
but saying this im going to save up for either a set of RE11 or RE01R :D

RE11 please :p
 
Wonder how much of a discount we could get on a group buy? Rally up the ITRDC2 forum too perhaps?
 
it is a possibility, maybe some US firm would ship them cheaper if we ordered a load. got a guy quoting me on 4 shipped to the uk at the moment.
 
it is a possibility, maybe some US firm would ship them cheaper if we ordered a load. got a guy quoting me on 4 shipped to the uk at the moment.

Couldn't PM me the quote could you pal??
 
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