lol,i corrected myself already mate and the toyota owners club site says its 167 bhp,i was thinking it had the same power as the later model although thats a 1.8.
Whys that? The civic had filter and exhaust!? My car "had" stock everything except hks panel filter which would make hardly any difference. And pee shooter exhaust.
Im not really intrested in arguing the difference really as they are very similar cars in performance imo. Im not saying i completley killed the CTR here.