Pucker up moment for N. Korea


“There is some concern that maybe, unlike his father, this guy doesn’t know where the edge is—he keeps pushing, and doesn’t know where the edge is,” Victor Cha, the top Asia hand on President George W. Bush’s National Security Council from 2004-2007, told Yahoo News.

Obama’s response sends a message, Cha explained: “If you don’t know where the red line is, we’re going to draw it for you.”

Peter Brookes, who served as Bush’s deputy assistant secretary of defense for Asian and Pacific affairs, called the standoff uncharted territory.

“This is the first serious crisis we’ve had with this new leader and this regime,” Brookes said.

Kim "doesn’t want to nuke New York,” Brookes added. “But there is a high likelihood that he’ll have to do something based on all of the threats that he’s made, because if you make threats and you don’t fulfill them then they lose their meaning, they lose their leverage.”
 
Some nice quotes there Tama.

It does seem like things are moving in the wrong direction in terms of possible military action.
 
mld22 said:
It does seem like things are moving in the wrong direction in terms of possible military action.
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I agree, and have felt that way from the day I posted the thread. As Han Solo once said, "Ive got a bad feeling about this..."

Its a pissing match, and we have a ton of pissing going on.
 
I will say that this is Historical Fact.. But i mean no offence to any U.S guys on this forum, none at all.

I think this info may help alot of people understand the recent events a little more from both sides -

The history of the 1950s Korean war confirms that extensive war crimes were committed against the Korean people. As confirmed by the statement of General Curtis Lemay: ( he was a general in the United States Air Force and the vice presidential running mate of American Independent Party presidential candidate George Wallace in 1968 )

"Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population."

North Korea lost close to thirty percent of its population as a result of US led bombings in the 1950s. US military sources confirm that 20 percent of North Korea's population was killed off over a three year period of intensive bombings:

"After destroying North Korea's 78 cities and thousands of her villages, and killing countless numbers of her civilians, [General] LeMay remarked, "Over a period of three years or so we killed off - what - twenty percent of the population." It is now believed that the population north of the imposed 38th Parallel lost nearly a third of its population of 8 - 9 million people during the 37-month long "hot" war, 1950 - 1953, perhaps an unprecedented percentage of mortality suffered by one nation due to the belligerance of another."

During The Second World War the United Kingdom lost 0.94% of its population, France lost 1.35%, China lost 1.89% and the US lost 0.32%. During the Korean war, North Korea lost close to 30 % of its population.

These figures of civilian deaths in North Korea should also be compared to those compiled for Iraq by the Lancet Study (John Hopkins School of Public Health). The Lancet study estimated a total of 655,000 Iraqi civilian deaths, following the US led invasion (March 2003- June 2006).

I in no way mean to say that what is happening in north Korea is ok or that i agree with it, but it is a little easier to understand why they seem so hostile when it comes to the U.S.

I think it is safe to say that if there is a war the losses from both sides will be massive.. I'll also add that N.Korea believe it or not has by a long way the largest standing army in the world. Regular army of 1 million and reserves total to over 9 million.. they have 2000 aircraft and 40 submarines... its safe to say that just like the Iraq and Afghanistan wars it will not be over quickly.

quite frankly it would be a humanitarian disaster.. What is to come in the following months is only for N.Korea to decide..
 
like i said guys i have no agenda posting that info, i have no intention of making the U.S look bad..

i just feel it is very good to know when discussing the U.S and Korea in general.
 
The Art of War

By Sun Tzu

Soldiers when in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard.
 
Topher-EK9 said:
like i said guys i have no agenda posting that info, i have no intention of making the U.S look bad..

i just feel it is very good to know when discussing the U.S and Korea in general.
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I dont think any american would take offence to your posts...history is history we all can learn from history and especially mistakes.
 
tama666 said:
I dont think any american would take offence to your posts...history is history we all can learn from history and especially mistakes.
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Glad you understand and see it like i do dude. The more information we all have, Good and Bad, is always a good thing :nice:
 
tama666 said:
I dont think any american would take offence to your posts...history is history we all can learn from history and especially mistakes.
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Same here. The truth is the truth.

Nice little recap there Topher. I need to watch all my Cold war documentaries again now lol.

In some ways I want this dictatorship from hell to go down now; in others I don't. I can't ever see things getting better if NK stays as it is. It will most likely just get more and more extreme.

Better sooner than later...
 
The Art of War bit above is what scares me the most, but we are not the agressors N.Korea is...so where does that place the USA in that Art of War bit above?

Get where I am going with that?
 
Rich777 said:
Same here. The truth is the truth.

In some ways I want this dictatorship from hell to go down now; in others I don't. I can't ever see things getting better if NK stays as it is. It will most likely just get more and more extreme.

Better sooner than later...
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Spot on! :nice:

A nightmare either way...but this long story needs an end, somehow.
 
^^^yup...more BS.

this BS also monkeyed with the markets today...everyone is being touched by this...and when big business is being affected USA reacts...not good at all!

Im getting more concerned as this moves on...
 
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LMAO

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