Toda Spec B Camshafts

[rvm]

After reading for 2 weeks on the internet, i found that these are the best camshafts for the b16b, since they give nothing less than pure torque, and torque is what the b16b lacks off.

I might be getting this cams tomorrow. I will need some aftermarket springs just to be safe. I can use the stock b16b one's but i prefer to be safe

I want to make a installation how to, i hope i can talk to my mechanic so we can do it.

Info:

Toda B-Series Vtec Billet Camshafts

[FONT=arial, helvetica]TODA Racing has been producing billet VTEC camshafts since 1994, longer than any other manufacturer. Years of experience with B16A and B18C engines have allowed TODA Racing to produce the best performing and most proven DOHC VTEC camshafts available. [/FONT] [FONT=arial, helvetica]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]TODA Racing uses the latest design and manufacturing technologies to produce their camshafts. All TODA parts are designed, tested, and manufactured using the IBM CATIA CAD/CAM/CAE system. This is the same system used by Honda, Boeing, Ferrari, Porsche, and other leading high technology manufacturers. [/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica]TODA Spec B & C camshafts have large primary and secondary lobes. This is a design pioneered by TODA over 6 years ago. Now our competition is copying this design feature. Imitation parts may look the same, but there’s one thing that can’t be copied, TODA quality and reliability.[/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]TECHNICAL NOTE [/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]All TODA Racing camshafts must be tuned using TODA adjustable campulleys to attain maximum performance. Valve lash for all cams is 0.2mm cold. Spec B & C camshafts require TODA valve springs. For Spec A camshafts, Integra Type-R inner and outer valvespring components maybe used up to 8400rpm on both the intake and exhaust side. [/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]With Spec A camshafts if engine will be operating beyond 8400rpm, TODA valve spring kit must be used. Using Spec C camshafts on engines with milled cylinder heads, thin head gaskets, or non TODA Racing high compression pistons may cause valve-to-piston clearance issues. For maximum performance, Spec C camshafts must be used with TODA high compression pistons and upgraded fuel injection system. Some aftermarket campulleys use connecting bolts that are not compatible with TODA camshafts. The use of these bolts could damage the TODA camshafts. If you plan to use TODA camshafts, we only recommend using TODA campulleys to prevent damage to the camshafts. [/FONT]
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[FONT=arial, helvetica]The TODA High Power Timing Belt is highly recommended when using Spec B and C camshafts. [/FONT]

 

[SpoonCTR]

thats correct, i a lost of people in the UK use them, they get great results! Post some pictures when you get them!

 

[rvm]

damn it, i didn't get them, but i will buy one set from ebay hehe

 

[4d_ek9]

iv got a set of skunk 2 pro series stage 2 cams, gears, hi comp valves, springs and retainers, and a toda cambelt sitting under my bed ready to be fitted as soon as iv got the cash, i was thinking about the apex-i power fc or the hondata to run it but im not certain wich one would work the best, also who could set it up and tune it properly???!!!
Anybory fancy lending me some cash?

 

[rvm]

iv got a set of skunk 2 pro series stage 2 cams, gears, hi comp valves, springs and retainers, and a toda cambelt sitting under my bed ready to be fitted as soon as iv got the cash, i was thinking about the apex-i power fc or the hondata to run it but im not certain wich one would work the best, also who could set it up and tune it properly???!!!
Anybory fancy lending me some cash?

I would recommend a apexi power fc + commander, you can buy it used on ebay, you just need to be patient.

Do you have dyno access? if yes, the best way is to go to the dyno, and get it tuned there

 

[ManosEK9]

Have a question. When we say spec for the camshaft, do we mean stage?
Do they have exactly the same meaning?

 

[rvm]

Have a question. When we say spec for the camshaft, do we mean stage?
Do they have exactly the same meaning?

That's correct, Toda rates they different camshafts by Specs

Spec A , Spec B, Spec C, Spec D

Being the Spec D the most aggressive one

 

[ManosEK9]

That's correct, Toda rates they different camshafts by Specs

Spec A , Spec B, Spec C, Spec D

Being the Spec D the most aggressive one

Ok What about the hp that the companies claim each pair of cams gives? This is something that it does not seem very clear to me since they(companies) all promise big numbers, but as soon as you get your car back, you don't get what you expect For example, I have Skunk2 Stage II and the official site of Skunk2 Racing says that these cams can give up to 18 hp on a B16B. I have made ALL the necessary mods to get the most from these cams but the overall increase in the car performance is just noticable. There is NO WAY I got the promised hp. And what seems logically to me is that after making all these mods on my engine to get the maximum hp from the camshafts, then the difference in performance should be more since these mods give horses as weel. The job was done by professional as well. Do I have to **** my car to get these horses? I'm gonna get grazy So, what about you guys, what do you have to say on this issue? in advance.

 

[rvm]

Ok What about the hp that the companies claim each pair of cams gives? This is something that it does not seem very clear to me since they(companies) all promise big numbers, but as soon as you get your car back, you don't get what you expect For example, I have Skunk2 Stage II and the official site of Skunk2 Racing says that these cams can give up to 18 hp on a B16B. I have made ALL the necessary mods to get the most from these cams but the overall increase in the car performance is just noticable. There is NO WAY I got the promised hp. And what seems logically to me is that after making all these mods on my engine to get the maximum hp from the camshafts, then the difference in performance should be more since these mods give horses as weel. The job was done by professional as well. Do I have to **** my car to get these horses? I'm gonna get grazy So, what about you guys, what do you have to say on this issue? in advance.

18 wheel hp or 18 flywheel hp ?

All the companies will never talk "bad" about their products.

But first of all you need to see what set of camshafts will respond better on your engine.

For example, you can't put a skunk stage 3 to a stock b16b , because you dont have the enough compression ratio, and the motor will work better with a less aggresive camshafts, for example you will loose instead of gaining.

For example, if i want to install the toda spec b, i have to buy a thin layer head gasket, and port the head 0.20mm less so i can be able to work well with this camshafts, with a stock a b16b, i will be "over cammed" this means that the camshafts are too agressive for what my motor can handle.

So you have skunk stage 2, assuming you have stock internals, and just bolt ons.

The stock ek9 civic type r camshafts has the following specs:

INTAKE lift - 11.5 mm, duration 243 @1mm
EXHAUST lift - 10.5mm, duration 235 @1mm

Skunk stage II specs:

- Stage II
INTAKE lift- 12.3 mm, duration 266 @ 1mm
EXHAUST lift - 11.8 mm, duration 262 @ 1mm

So analizing this specs, in case you dont know,

Higher lift gives a higher absolute peak torque and peak hp number.

If you increase your cam duration you will move the peak torque and peak hp location to a higher rpm. The absolute peak torque and peak hp number also increases.

For skunk stage 2, you will need more compression ratio, and some head work to rev up to 9000 - 9500 RPM (not sure about this) at this rpms, i think you will make the most power of your camshafts.

Also you will need a a 11.1 compression + , your stock b16b has 10.8

Skunk 2, maybe they're not lying about their products, maybe they have a B16B with high compression pistons + and integra type r crankshaft or something like this.

 

[rvm]

I forgot to mention the toda spec b camshafts specs:

INTAKE lift - 12 mm, duration 255 @1mm
EXHAUST lift - 12mm, duration 245 @1mm

Check out the following link, it can help you understand more about honda b series camshafts:

http://www.ek9.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137

 

[ManosEK9]

I forgot to mention the toda spec b camshafts specs:

INTAKE lift - 12 mm, duration 255 @1mm
EXHAUST lift - 12mm, duration 245 @1mm

Check out the following link, it can help you understand more about honda b series camshafts:

http://www.ek9.org/forum/showthread.php?t=137

I'm not stupid to put these high performance camshafts standalone expecting anything bro, be sure that I have enough head work already:
Skunk2 Racing

• Stage II cams
• Cam gears
• Valvesprings and Retainers
• Throttle Body
• Thin gasket

Also, Port and Polish(not hand-made), JASMA Header 4-2-1, S-AFC, air filter, exhaust(without silencer, makes sound-pollution for sure ). I was drag racing yesterday in my neighborhood(very long straight) with a Mazda RX8(190hp) and it was 15-20 meters already behind when I shifted the 4th. Another 10 at the finish. I'm not saying that I'm not satisfied from my car, but i'm sure that with the current mods it should be better. Forgot to mention my 17'' heavy(hypotheticaly racing, PS-X) wheels. And I think Skunk2 says 18 hp on wheels for Stage II in the site. Can you estimate my BHP?

 

[rvm]

I'm not stupid to put these high performance camshafts standalone expecting anything bro, be sure that I have enough head work already:
Skunk2 Racing

• Stage II cams
• Cam gears
• Valvesprings and Retainers
• Throttle Body
• Thin gasket

Also, Port and Polish(not hand-made), JASMA Header 4-2-1, S-AFC, air filter, exhaust(without silencer, makes sound-pollution for sure ). I was drag racing yesterday in my neighborhood(very long straight) with a Mazda RX8(190hp) and it was 15-20 meters already behind when I shifted the 4th. Another 10 at the finish. I'm not saying that I'm not satisfied from my car, but i'm sure that with the current mods it should be better. Forgot to mention my 17'' heavy(hypotheticaly racing, PS-X) wheels. And I think Skunk2 says 18 hp on wheels for Stage II in the site. Can you estimate my BHP?

what cpu are you running?

my butt dyno tells me that you might be in the 195 - 200 bhp range

 

[ManosEK9]

what cpu are you running?

my butt dyno tells me that you might be in the 195 - 200 bhp range

Sorry to say this but, your dyno must be dizzy or something!! Remind stock BHP is 184,3. I can't figure out a way an EK9 can leave an RX8(190hp) 20+ meters behind and at the same time producing only 5+10 hp more from it as you say. In addition RX8 engine is rotary. I'm running the stock ECU but now it is reset because of the S-AFC. When I turn it off, the car becomes crazy

 

[SpoonCTR]

Sorry to say this but, your dyno must be dizzy or something!! Remind stock BHP is 184,3. I can't figure out a way an EK9 can leave an RX8(190hp) 20+ meters behind and at the same time producing only 5+10 hp more from it as you say. In addition RX8 engine is rotary. I'm running the stock ECU but now it is reset because of the S-AFC. When I turn it off, the car becomes crazy

Hmmm maybe 210 hp!

 

[ManosEK9]

There is some kind of calculation to estimated your horspower after a mod. I have ask a couple of guys who are good mechanics for mods, and they told me similar things. They said that my hp ranges from 210 to 214. Didn't ask how they got that range but it seems correct to me based on the results. I just wanted to ask you as well to know what you have to say. I think a Power FC and a stroke will take it 230 BHP the least!! WOW, man, this would be AWESOME

 

[rvm]

There is some kind of calculation to estimated your horspower after a mod. I have ask a couple of guys who are good mechanics for mods, and they told me similar things. They said that my hp ranges from 210 to 214. Didn't ask how they got that range but it seems correct to me based on the results. I just wanted to ask you as well to know what you have to say. I think a Power FC and a stroke will take it 230 BHP the least!! WOW, man, this would be AWESOME

that would be like 180 - 185 whp, awesome!

 

[ManosEK9]

that would be like 180 - 185 whp, awesome!

I can't understand if you are jokking or not. Stock Whp is about 165. So it would be at least 200 for sure.

 

[No_Fear]

the key for the camsfast is the ecu ,with the corect ecu tuning you'll get the best results from the cams.stock b16b is around 150whp,i've see lot of b16s with similar setups (skunk2) around 170whp.

 

[blinx9900]

stock b16b dyno ive seen is about ~155whp

 

[No_Fear]

depends dyno and conditions of course,i am talking about dynojet