b18c-r baffled oil sump?


TGM are in Fleet, 45mins ish from London, I think it was £150 parts & labour but dont quote me on that! Give Tom a call for the best option, he gives good unbiased advice. 01252 811 972 :nice:
 
between the spoon/mugen one, I would choose mugen. I'm not that handy with a welder, but I know friends who can weld and in a pinch, I make Spoon style baffles and call it good and maybe throw in some vertical baffles too. The last time I did that, it cost $75.00CAD.
 
I cant remember if that was for their own one, or if they pulled mine out and put 2 more baffles in as the B16 is baffled already on 2 sides, give Tom a call m8, if not I will be seeing him on wednesday so I will clarify.
 
i would reccomend buying a Moroso sump, they are baffled and also have a plug on them for fitting an oil temp sensor so you wouldn't have to fit a sandwich plate if you fancied running an oil temp guage

you can get one delivered from the US for about £125 compared to £250 for the likes of Spoon/Mugen etc

Moroso also do a high capacity baffled sump which is a bit more expensive..... ups the oil capacity to 5.5L to aid cooling, still has the plug for oil temp sensor and it has additional "doors" as well as the baffles so it holds the oil in place under heavy braking as well as cornering :nice:
 
stevenEK9 said:
Moroso also do a high capacity baffled sump which is a bit more expensive..... ups the oil capacity to 5.5L to aid cooling, still has the plug for oil temp sensor and it has additional "doors" as well as the baffles so it holds the oil in place under heavy braking as well as cornering :nice:
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Agreed, however.

RagingAngel @ 05-04-2008 06:58 PM said:
The extra 1.5QT capacity is nice. The only problem is? For use exclusively on the Type-R models, it requires trimming/hacking the stock transmission brace/stiffener. I'm surprised moroso didn't take this into account as the ones most likely to hit the track would be the Type-R folks.
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One could get away with using the two piece brace from a GS-R DC2 or even one from an EK4 I suppose, but I'm sure Honda added this stiffener for a good reason. I can't remember the percentage of increased stiffness, but compared to the 2 piece design it's definitely a lot beefier.

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RagingAngel said:
The extra 1.5QT capacity is nice. The only problem is? For use exclusively on the Type-R models, it requires trimming/hacking the stock transmission brace/stiffener. I'm surprised moroso didn't take this into account as the ones most likely to hit the track would be the Type-R folks.
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Moroso is a US company, the only Type-R we ever got in USA was an integra type R in limited numbers, they most likely just built the oilpan for the most popular setup which is the b16a/b18c1 because either more people had them or the car/engine they built it on was a non-type r. Honestly i wont be surprised if Moroso is unaware of the type-R having a different tranny stiffener.

RagingAngel said:
One could get away with using the two piece brace from a GS-R DC2 or even one from an EK4 I suppose, but I'm sure Honda added this stiffener for a good reason. I can't remember the percentage of increased stiffness, but compared to the 2 piece design it's definitely a lot beefier.
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i noticed your calling it a stiffener, i thought it was just a flywheel cover? most people i know don't even use them, do they serve a purpose aside from sheilding the flywheel?
 
JamesSSB said:
What are we looking at in the 2 pics above?
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You see the ribbed metal piece? That's the stiffener and the 2nd pic shows it's relation to the motor.

In non Type-R models it's a dinky two piece item with a thin piece of sheetmetal to cover the flywheel. This part stiffener brace is unique to the Type-Rs. It is said to combat vibration at high rpms. Will your car fall apart if you took it off? Probably not. Is it better to have - apparently Honda thinks so and it's not as frivolous as the balance shafts found in H22s or some K20s because the occupants are annoyed with the vibration at idle and up to 3000rpm.

Blinx: I would argue that it's the ITR that put a lot of the sport compact craze on the map especially with how Spoon came to be so popular as well. It's like Moroso didn't do their homework...or at least all of it when they designed their oil pan.

Seriously, when fitted, you really wonder what was going through their heads and why they couldn't accommodate this brace :angry2:
 
RagingAngel said:
It's like Moroso didn't do their homework...or at least all of it when they designed their oil pan.
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thats pretty much what i was saying :nice: but then again hytec's longtube race headers dont clear that brace either... im guessing that has more to do with design and the fact its usually going to end up on a fully built/balanced motor...
 
AAHHHHhhhhhhh, ok right thanks for clearing that up.LOL
Who actually has a bafled sump on hear?
 
blinx9900 said:
thats pretty much what i was saying :nice: but then again hytec's longtube race headers dont clear that brace either... im guessing that has more to do with design and the fact its usually going to end up on a fully built/balanced motor...
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The Type-R motors are actually balanced to begin with from the factory. When things spin at 8000rpm, there's going to be some crazy vibrations no matter how well balanced they...coupled with the fact that most will opt for aftermarket engine mounts... hey... This brace is a good idea :)

The production long tube header makes some pretty good power at the expense of precious ground clearance. Even for those who drive exclusively on the track...well... there's going to be that one incident where you go off track... there goes your header when you're headed for the infield...

Hytech and SMSP both produce versions that clear this brace rather elegantly without sacrificing power/flow.

Oh and I have a baffled oil pan... :drive:
 
TGM confirmed today that they would remove yours and weld in the extra plates, as they dont have their own product.
 
If it was my money, I would get the Mugen one.

The J's one lacks the vertical baffles.
 
It pays to search.ahh.. :D

So, seems like the Mugen is one of the best baffeled sumps and

Moroso sump, they are baffled and also have a plug on them for fitting an oil temp sensor so you wouldn't have to fit a sandwich plate if you fancied running an oil temp guage

you can get one delivered from the US for about £125 compared to £250 for the likes of Spoon/Mugen etc
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A lot cheaper than the Mugen, man, they are like over £300.

So if I just got a Moroso baffeled sump without the extra capacity, it would be a straight fit, no cutting/messing around and no issues with ground clearence?

Ps. Why did Honda develop a track car without a baffeled sump?
 
The moroso pump requires cutting the ITR/CTR transmission brace - also known as the flywheel cover.

You can get away with using the brace/cover from an SiR. Make your own baffles is what I say and pay somebody to weld them in for you.

Honda developed a street car without a baffled pan because of cost.
 
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