takata hype...???


Topher-EK9 said:
Just to prove a little bit what tama is saying isn't just opinion or backed by a hidden agenda...

A few facts i found in 5 minutes

The 1st seat belt in japan was made by takata..

The company make alot of safety fabric's such as the material if life boats, space suits, jump suits, diving suits, helmets, boots.
they make steering wheels along with the airbag, they also make curtain, passenger and side impact airbag's
They also make the inflators for airbags along with the electrical components in the airbag safety systems. along with the seatbelt pretensioner system.
they make alot of the impact system sensor's which let the airbag off. and are now making lane change sensor's for new car's with lane change alarms on them.
They make interior trim's, seats's, arm rest's, sun visors..
Most of these are for big commercial business's

OH and they also make harness's . but last year they're sales were NO where near as many seatbelts as they sold airbags..
they're main clients for their seat belts are Honda, however, this is closely followed by Toyota, FORD and GM !!!!!!! then closely followed by Daimler..

I see a few mentioning Schroth, takata are buying out schroth.
takata is also in talks with BAE about buying the safety side of the company from BAE systems.. which we all know is an aerospace company who hold alot of the contracts with the R.A.F

What i have learnt is that yes they are expensive and yes people brand them as JDM points and whatever, but it seems they are one of the biggest safety companies in the world.

Personally i think you are buying Piece of mind when it comes to companies like takata .... Just the same as buying suspension parts from KONI....
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Great info there!
 
Topher-EK9 said:
Just to prove a little bit what tama is saying isn't just opinion or backed by a hidden agenda...

A few facts i found in 5 minutes

The 1st seat belt in japan was made by takata..

The company make alot of safety fabric's such as the material if life boats, space suits, jump suits, diving suits, helmets, boots.
they make steering wheels along with the airbag, they also make curtain, passenger and side impact airbag's
They also make the inflators for airbags along with the electrical components in the airbag safety systems. along with the seatbelt pretensioner system.
they make alot of the impact system sensor's which let the airbag off. and are now making lane change sensor's for new car's with lane change alarms on them.
They make interior trim's, seats's, arm rest's, sun visors..
Most of these are for big commercial business's

OH and they also make harness's . but last year they're sales were NO where near as many seatbelts as they sold airbags..
they're main clients for their seat belts are Honda, however, this is closely followed by Toyota, FORD and GM !!!!!!! then closely followed by Daimler..

I see a few mentioning Schroth, takata are buying out schroth.
takata is also in talks with BAE about buying the safety side of the company from BAE systems.. which we all know is an aerospace company who hold alot of the contracts with the R.A.F

What i have learnt is that yes they are expensive and yes people brand them as JDM points and whatever, but it seems they are one of the biggest safety companies in the world.

Personally i think you are buying Piece of mind when it comes to companies like takata .... Just the same as buying suspension parts from KONI....
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good info. well said and GAME OVER
 
I will never buy Takatas, for the reason i can get harnesses here for less that are Fia/Msa approved.
Now somebody mentioned JDM Tax(as a joke) cant remember who, this boy is right to me, im looking to buy myself a new skid lid,from a well know japanese brand, in the UK its around 750/800 pound.
If i go straight to japan for the same lid, its nearly half the price. Go figure.

Everyone has an opinion, i have mine, it might not be the same as the next person. If im buying something to do with my safety, i will buy the best i can afford. preferably from a Euro supplier where its FIA/MSA approved.

Murray
 
Is it right there not legal on road in uk ? Some one mentioned on another forum that the fastener release is not eu approved , any one had any problems with police ?
 
im sure they are legal in the uk, as mine have gone through the mot test the last 3 years.

BAE also make nuclear submarines
 
I personally think takata's are really great harnesses, and I was dead certain on buying myself a one when I got the teg, but in the end I ended up buying a Schroth Profi 3 ASM, which is essentially the same as a Takata 340MPH harness from what I can compare between having used both.

But the price difference is massive, almost £200 (demontweeks for schroth[1] and funkypower for takata[2]) which was and still am unable to justify, although I was able to afford them but I would have regreted it afterwards. I in no means am saying that takata's are bad, because as I stated at the start they are very good, but for the price I think you would have a very good reason to pay the extra, the schroth cam with ASM[3] (Anti-submarining technology, don't know if this works, and dont really want to find out) but the takatas are rated for 341mph[4], now I thought of it like this, is it more likely I will be in an accident and need the use of ASM? Or is it more likely I'll be in an accident at 340mph, without the use of a 6point becuase I like crotch area?

What I have said is not a dig at anyone that uses takata's infact it's the entirely the otherway as I know I'd regret spending £385 on a single harness even if it was JDM. Although I totally disagree with comparing this to clothes or wheels, as every harness that is FIA approved[5] will protect you in an accident (Unless you've got one of those fake takata's then I'd probably say prayer might be your only saviour) so personal preference has a major part to play when buying a harness. Where as peer pressure and wanting to look good for the ladies is part of clothes, and wanting to stand-out and be different is why people buy different wheels, money is also an issue to that is for another discussion.

Also I would like to point out people saying that they are the biggest company in restraining equipment for a reason (not actual quote but I believe that was the point), I see this and don't understand what it had to do with the OP's question. Takata has built a reputation on making all kinds of safety devices for OEM manufacturers, most other companies (pick almost any other harness manufacturer there is) focus upon racing equipment, and therefore in that case I believe that therefore Willans is the WORLD LEADING harness manufacturer[6] and has supplied 19 F1 world champions[7].

So in conclusion I found that Takata's are great products (you can get them up to 381mph if you ever needed to go that fast), but the price outweighs the benefits when FIA homologation means the harness will protect you in case of an accident and that in the end Willans is actually the biggest seller of harness' and Michael Schumacher can't be wrong[6]. Although the green does look good though :)

[1]http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/motorsport/harnesses/schroth-profi-iii-asm-harness
[2]http://www.funkypower.co.uk/catalogue.php?t=p&make=UNIVERSAL&model=&year=&level1=&level2=&level3=&id_product=3004
[3]http://english.schroth.com/racing/technology/asm.php
[4]http://www.takataracingproducts.com/#products_top
[5]http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/EF32F8FCE8949068C125793C002F61A4/$FILE/L24_Approved_harnesses.pdf
[6]http://www.willans.com/
[7]http://www.the-mia.com/assets/RCE_AUG08_p77_Willans.pdf

Stephen

PS Sorry for the long and probably unintresting insight to the subject, I have my view and if someone can correct me on any points made I'm willing to change my mind if the point made is good. Thanks for reading :).
 
Thing is though, buy any other brand of harness and once out of date you will make back all of 30 quid

When a takata goes out of date, it means F all, if they are still clean you will still fetch back good money for them

They are well made harnesses and certainly feel better quality than many others i have experienced in mates cars too
 
tama666 said:
Takata is FIA approved
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Right and?
All i said was i would rather buy from a Euro company to save on this JDM tax/scene bullshit. Plus green doesnt go with my hair.:p

You sure you dont work for them??
 
webbie said:
Is it right there not legal on road in uk ? Some one mentioned on another forum that the fastener release is not eu approved , any one had any problems with police ?
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100% Legal.
 
i don't mean this to come out wrong but

FIA approved is the minimum requirement for racing... it does not mean they cannot exceed these requirements
its the same as BS numbers they are the MINIMUM requirement, many companies go beyond these...

Its like stating your tire has 1.6MM tread across 75% of the tire... fair enough this is legal but its not going to be as good as a tire with 7mm tread across 100% of the tire.

do you see what i'm getting at. Just because a sabelt / luke/ whatever harness is FIA approved does not mean they are all in the exact same category. i do not intend to make out takata are beyond FIA approved just stating it is a minimal requirement
 
Todd_ek4 said:
TAKATA'S ARE MINT!!

you either like them or u don't!

I know i'd like a set evan though they're overpriced but then again so are spoon products..

It's life, get over it.. it's like sayin why buy an adidas jacket for £50 wen u can get a jacket from primark for £10. everyone has their own opinion!
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Who said they ain't mint?
 
You guys should really lay of tama lol, he does have a point and I also understand that some people may regard them overpriced but it is completely up to Takata the price they want to sell it for. Takata must be doing something right as even with that price they sell well so not everyone thinks their overpriced and are just 'hype'
 
stevenEK9 said:
Thing is though, buy any other brand of harness and once out of date you will make back all of 30 quid

When a takata goes out of date, it means F all, if they are still clean you will still fetch back good money for them
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I see what you're saying, and you're right, but that sort of shoots the safety argument to pieces. Someone would rather pay like £200 on second hand kit, which for all they know might have been in a couple of crashes, against paying £200-£250 for a brand new, top-end harness still in the wrapper from a reputable dealer?

It just backs up the point that people buy them as a fashion thing rather than a safety thing. Nothing really wrong with that as such as if you can afford them and you want them then why not? I just don't like the arguement from people saying they buy them because they regard their safety so highly that no other make would do. If you're REALLY serious about safety then that extra money could be much better spent towards HANS or a better helmet etc -(talking about race/trackcars of course ;) on the road harness probably cause more saftey problems than they're likely to solve)
 
harvey j said:
i stand corrected, i thought they was a japanese company designed for small people, im not massive but stocky and cant find a single t-shirt that fits.
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It's rubbish I have one of their coats and it's skinny fit as anything and I'm not massive!
 
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