Vtec Challenge - Boost??


As said I don't think vtc will ever get loads of FI hondas, I for one would not get my car up to spec and get a race licence just for one round. If the vtc said right next season the FI guys can run all season I think more would interested. If the vtc let's the turbo cars in I would be there.

And as for not many coming to the HOT days I would come to more but there are not that many I can do because of how loud the car is 105db
 
the HOT days imo are very poorly attended, this year at snetterton they made it an open pit(far better than sessions imo) yet they had to hand over half the spaces to lotus and BMW because the honda lads couldnt fill them.
also ive never seen another boosted EK/EJ teg on track only sc EP's. if peoples are serious about it get along to the HOT days, at least people MIGHT see the potential of a FI series.
oh and snetterton is great for FI, long straights and fast corners.

i personally would love to go racing, but because of work and other person commitments im not it the position of being able to do it, which im gutted about.
 
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i am building a turbo honda atm so shall hopefully have it running by may for japfest then il be getting it to as many track days as possible, i didnt ever do HOT days as they were sessioned i personally prefered open pit lane as the 1st day in the ek9 at anglesey i did about 200-300 miles on track i was on none stop. the reason i am going boost is to be competetive on a race series and i would join a fair few ones, i dont have the money that comes with joining the series and to run a competetive n/a car as each race is about £300 however if i have a boosted honda i can be competetive for a smaller price and not need to hold back on the races, buying the licence and everything is expensive especially if you are doing it all on your own as i am i have no sponsors to help or anything so this is why i wanted boost so i can be competetive
 
People need to get out of there heads that boost makes you competative. The squidgy bit behind the wheel makes the most difference.
An NA car will be more reliable aswell. Boosted setups need major work to keep reliable for 15mins of non stop abuse.
 
V-TEC ABUSER said:
the HOT days imo are very poorly attended, this year at snetterton they made it an open pit(far better than sessions imo) yet they had to hand over half the spaces to lotus and BMW because the honda lads couldnt fill them.
also ive never seen another boosted EK/EJ teg on track only sc EP's. if peoples are serious about it get along to the HOT days, at least people MIGHT see the potential of a FI series.
oh and snetterton is great for FI, long straights and fast corners.

i personally would love to go racing, but because of work and other person commitments im not it the position of being able to do it, which im gutted about.
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Yea im on the forum but I personally when I race on track I dont want 20 hondas at a track day, I prefer more and differing cars..
 
Murray said:
People need to get out of there heads that boost makes you competative. The squidgy bit behind the wheel makes the most difference.
An NA car will be more reliable aswell. Boosted setups need major work to keep reliable for 15mins of non stop abuse.
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it gives you the best chance of bein competetive aggainst a 250hp n/a build doesnt allways matter about the person behind the wheel not like i am jenson button or anything so need a car that can compete

and boosted setups dont need major work iv got an st mountune running about 270bhp that has constant abuse and ford themselves run them for 5 weeks flat or some thing like that to make sure there bullet proof
 
Not all n/a are 250, plenty lower spec. So you build a budget boosted Honda, others with more money build a bigger boosted Honda, your not competetive anymore, if its easy & cheap to go boost, everybody will be going large, what then?

Sure money helps but its down to the driver, everybody wants to be competetive but early on its not worth worrying about, just get out and drive, and you dont need boost to do it.
 
kev_ek9 said:
i am building a turbo honda atm so shall hopefully have it running by may for japfest then il be getting it to as many track days as possible, i didnt ever do HOT days as they were sessioned i personally prefered open pit lane as the 1st day in the ek9 at anglesey i did about 200-300 miles on track i was on none stop. the reason i am going boost is to be competetive on a race series and i would join a fair few ones, i dont have the money that comes with joining the series and to run a competetive n/a car as each race is about £300 however if i have a boosted honda i can be competetive for a smaller price and not need to hold back on the races, buying the licence and everything is expensive especially if you are doing it all on your own as i am i have no sponsors to help or anything so this is why i wanted boost so i can be competetive
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If you wanted to be "competitive" in a race series then you have an EK9: strip it, replace the windows, cage it, enter the civic cup and you'll be more or less bang on the same power to weight as everyone else there. You want to be competitive in the VTEC Challenge then same as above but with a good B18C R and maybe a higher final FD then you'll have a car with p/w comparable with the main pack there. No you won't be mixing with the big boys as it were but so what?

You won't be more competetive in any series by having a turbo, if anything it just pushes you up a class or two where you're racing against people who tend to have bigger budgets and more experienced so if anything you'll be less competitive.
 
Lee. I see where your coming from, it's great putting your car up against evo's m3 blah blah blah but the Honda days are still brilliant. In some ways it's great to see how your own Honda matches other people's, you can the look and compare etc etc

As for the boosted bit, as people may know I'm boosted BUT I think I'd side with clockwork and haitch, vetch challenge is a great series and the racing is usually very close, if you start going boosted I don't think it would be as good. For the reasons stated above.
 
the whole reason i am on about boost is so more budget people can be in the tuner class as this has stuff like conversions and bored out engine so yes boost will help be competetive in that class as that class n/a is a big budget class, i know i can strip out the civic with b16b but i have already had the b16b in for 3-4 years and want to do something different i went to go b18c block with oversized pistons, replaced gaskets, acl bearings, ek9 head skimmed etc for a good n/a setup but then it all went tits up and blew on me, i dont have the money to buy another b16b or a b18c r hense why boost was the option i went for and wanted more useable power i.e not always needing to be high reeving to get around like the b16b
 
kev_ek9 said:
it gives you the best chance of bein competetive aggainst a 250hp n/a build doesnt allways matter about the person behind the wheel not like i am jenson button or anything so need a car that can compete

and boosted setups dont need major work iv got an st mountune running about 270bhp that has constant abuse and ford themselves run them for 5 weeks flat or some thing like that to make sure there bullet proof
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It gives you a better chance, but doesnt mean you will be competative. Boost will certainly help on the straights, but what about the bits at the end of the straights;) This is where the seasoned racers will destroy you.
Racing has alot to do with the person behind the wheel, the car doesnt go around the track by itself.........

You are speaking about a near stock engine against a b16 that could have double its original horsepower. Im sorry but the b16 will need all the help it can get with cooling etc. There is a serious amount of heat created with boost and revs. I know first hand how quickly my own car gets hot out on track.:((

Murray
 
Murray said:
It gives you a better chance, but doesnt mean you will be competative. Boost will certainly help on the straights, but what about the bits at the end of the straights;) This is where the seasoned racers will destroy you.
Racing has alot to do with the person behind the wheel, the car doesnt go around the track by itself.........

You are speaking about a near stock engine against a b16 that could have double its original horsepower. Im sorry but the b16 will need all the help it can get with cooling etc. There is a serious amount of heat created with boost and revs. I know first hand how quickly my own car gets hot out on track.:((

Murray
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Agreed. Power isn't everything in a race car, I'd say chassis and brakes make for faster lap times.
 
if you also read the other bits iv said i have agreed its not all down to the car or driver its a mixture of both. but i am not stupid enough to go just smash a turbo on to a car and it will win iv been preparing to go into racing for the past.....3 or 4 years slowly building up my ek9 into a race car, i have suspention setup i have 4 pot brakes i have uprated engine mounts better gearbox preparing to get msa cage etc etc i expected people to know i wouldnt be running a stock ek9 with a turbo as that would be idiotic. the argument isnt about what is better the argument was that turbo should be given a chance in a race series to be proven it can be competetive aggainst a well set up n/a build

also at what point did i say it was a stock b16? i never i have got a b18c4 to turbo i have done my research and am planning on doing things properly i already have the chasis set up well but have gone as far as i can see with the setup without a cage, which will not make a difference as id be having one of them anyway to race so that is going to help either setup. its like looking at the cnc challenge there are pocket rocket minis, rx7`s, elise v8 there all different types that work well in a series as different tracks suit different cars.

the question was why no turbo in vtec challenge not what is best, if they allow a series to be run with or separate then we shall see what happens on the track.
 
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Yes I get you, the question is does vtc need a turbo class. Prob not, there are other series that alow boost tuning already. The problem the vtc would have is regulating equal engine power across the competitors to make it fair. Something for example, btcc have been struggling with for 2 years, and they have a massive amount of control as cosworth supply the ecu's

To me vtc has a current simple set of rules that allows close fair racing. Something that surly we all agree is for the best intrest of the competitors and the series.
 
teg boy said:
Yes I get you, the question is does vtc need a turbo class. Prob not, there are other series that alow boost tuning already. The problem the vtc would have is regulating equal engine power across the competitors to make it fair. Something for example, btcc have been struggling with for 2 years, and they have a massive amount of control as cosworth supply the ecu's

To me vtc has a current simple set of rules that allows close fair racing. Something that surly we all agree is for the best intrest of the competitors and the series.
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Hear what you saying here, but...

Why would boost class need power regulating when all the other classes dont?

Nuno.
 
The power of the other classes are regulated in a sense as you can only get so much out of an n/a set-up. Where as boosted class would see massive swings in power from top to bottom of class.
 
jesse888 said:
The power of the other classes are regulated in a sense as you can only get so much out of an n/a set-up. Where as boosted class would see massive swings in power from top to bottom of class.
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well yes and no.

a k swap can go from 200bhp to 300bhp... and in a naturally aspirated set up thats also massive swings in power from top to bottom of class.

im not 100% clued up on their cars, but R-motion cant be running far off 300bhp.

Nuno.
 
It's in the region of 270-280bhp I think. The class structure isn't based on engine model though, more about the state of tune. So this year the ST class comprised only of the R-Motion EG and Performance Autoworks DC2. Both 2.2s, both the same weight and similar power and torque.

I'm not sure the structure worked too well this year as almost everyone was in production class with quite a large range of performance, but the 2013 regs are just being finalised and look really good.
 
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It's in the region of 270-280bhp I think. The class structure isn't based on engine model though, more about the state of tune. So this year the ST class comprised only of the R-Motion EG and Performance Autoworks DC2. Both 2.2s, both the same weight and similar power and torque.

I'm not sure the structure worked too well this year as almost everyone was in production class with quite a large range of performance, but the 2013 regs are just being finalised and look really good.
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this back ups my point, due to the structure there was only 2 competing cars in that class.

hopefully next years structure shuts me up :)








**still thinks boost needs to happen**
:please::please:
 
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